Icarus P38 as well?

djscoo said:
Except your opinions have a greater effect on product sales...
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I dont think so. I think my work has more effect on sales then my words. I can talk till im blue about how "great" my work is, but in the end, it wont sell a single aircraft till I put my money were my mouth is.

But ill leave this thread alone.
 
krazycolin said:
And just so you know, before anyone says that I have done so myself, it was not before the comparison was made by SU on "our" P-38 thread.
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I hope you don't mean the Sky Unlimited P-38 thread that you tried to hijack and got told off for doing so there as well, Colin?

Once is a mistake. Twice? Not so much. This is an Icarus P-38 thread. Still not a MilViz one. Can we keep it that way?
 
Odd - i thought i was at SOH - my mistake :mixedsmi:

Where we can compare and discuss products in a way that can allow the opportunity to make informed decisions and consider what may or may not be worth purchasing.
 
Rather worryingly nothing has been seen of Icarus for a while now, even at his own site? Hope he is well.
 
krazycolin said:
Not sure how our opinion of our own products has an effect on sales... That's all up to you as the clients (potential or otherwise).
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Sorry, this is going to be rude comment. Your opinions has an effect on sales. You've lost one customer, me. Even though I like P-38's very much, I'm not going to buy 'the best P-38 out there' because I'm really tired about your comments about others people work, and how your work is better than theirs.
 
gajit said:
Odd - i thought i was at SOH - my mistake :mixedsmi:

Where we can compare and discuss products in a way that can allow the opportunity to make informed decisions and consider what may or may not be worth purchasing.
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Exactly. This "our" thread/"their" thread nonsense is childish and not at all what I signed up for.
 
empeck said:
Sorry, this is going to be rude comment. Your opinions has an effect on sales. You've lost one customer, me. Even though I like P-38's very much, I'm not going to buy 'the best P-38 out there' because I'm really tired about your comments about others people work, and how your work is better than theirs.
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I had to read the thread a 2nd time, but I dont see were Colin insulted anyone's work. Can you point that out? In fact, he said
I also think that Icarus, like SU, will make a very nice P-38.
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. I think your over reacting just a little. If anything, it was me, and I have been reprimanded BY COLIN to not do so.

For taking this thread off-track, I apologize. I try to stay out of other developers threads, but sometimes I get too passionate about some things. But please, dont blame others for what I did/said, and please dont discredit an entire teams work just for the words of one passionate artist. Again, competition is a good thing for the customer, and I look forward to seeing what Icarus bring to the table.
 
Kavehpd said:
Exactly. This "our" thread/"their" thread nonsense is childish and not at all what I signed up for.
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It's simple really. It's just bad manners for threads to be hijacked especially by those who may have a vested interest.
 
Maybe we should just put the kibosh on any and all P-38 discussion until one of the seemingly half-dozen or so models of it currently in the works are actually released, at which time I'm sure we'll all be appropriately appreciative.
 
Hmmmm this is becoming a Challengefor me
it seems whoever has a new work in progress
gets hijacked by other devs
i would hate to have no threads, only ads and no posters
it seems some people are just so competitive that no one else
is entitled to create something, yup we can have opinions
but when we are competing thats not always seen as an opinion
i can have an opinion because i am not competing
i have nothing to gain or lose
maybe a rethink of the way we do things here is in order
to be honest im getting real peeved at this
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Henry said:
Hmmmm this is becoming a Challengefor me
it seems whoever has a new work in progress
gets hijacked by other devs
i would hate to have no threads, only ads and no posters
it seems some people are just so competitive that no one else
is entitled to create something, yup we can have opinions
but when we are competing thats not always seen as an opinion
i can have an opinion because i am not competing
i have nothing to gain or lose
maybe a rethink of the way we do things here is in order
to be honest im getting real peeved at this
H
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Kinds of makes you want to loss you mind, like I did last week, doesn't it Heny!!
 
Looking forward to it icarus....the more P-38's we have in the mix - the more likely I am to find the one that gives me the FSX experience I am looking for.

looking forward to it absolutely
 
Gibbage said:
I had to read the thread a 2nd time, but I dont see were Colin insulted anyone's work. Can you point that out? In fact, he said . I think your over reacting just a little. If anything, it was me, and I have been reprimanded BY COLIN to not do so.
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http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/showpost.php?p=238968&postcount=22


Henry said:
Hmmmm this is becoming a Challengefor me
it seems whoever has a new work in progress
gets hijacked by other devs
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It's not about a work in progress hijacked by other devs. It's about work in progress hijacked by MilViz guys. Is it really that hard to stay silent? I haven't seen Razbam, Iris, A2A's, Icarus and other payware guys criticizing, or commenting other payware work.
 
Rather worryingly nothing has been seen of Icarus for a while now, even at his own site? Hope he is well.
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All ok roger..sometimes i take few days of holidays as last week...

I haven't seen Razbam, Iris, A2A's, Icarus and other payware guys criticizing, or commenting other payware work.
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yes infact i have no problems if there will be 200.000 new p38 or gladiator...i am not the usaaf or raf ownier. Don't see the problem to have different version of an aircraft or if there is a freeware and payware version. About still no p38 screenshots it's because i am in the middle of building or ending ten new models, westland lysander, p26 peashooter, gotha 229, pitts sb1, storch, p38, typhoon, tempest mkV , henschel 129, dh4, grumman jf-2, bytheway the p38 exist and we are finishing virtual cockpit so i am waiting this for new screeshots.

I feel like a kid in a candy store. I hope this P-38 sells well for you guys at Icarus!
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hope in a video too
 
I can’t wait to see the progress on the Icarus P-38. I’ve always been a person of principle, especially with my purchasing tendencies. When I am in the store I am the one that checks to see where items are made. When I am buying something on ebay I first search for the item I want by “Distance” so that I can send money to my local areas instead of some other country. I am happy to pay $10 more for an Item so that my money goes back into my home state or nearby areas. I will do without products no matter how grand and superior they are if they call into question my moral or ethical compass, but even more so I love doing business with good decent polite people, and to my knowledge Icarus has never done anything that would make me want to distance myself from them. If Icarus has a passion for the P-38 I hope they build a great one.
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PRB recommended being the new Payware Coordination CZAR to prevent companies from creating duplicate aircraft. I find it ironic that some of the posters here think this is a good idea since they have already been starting their own projects full aware other companies are already working on the same type of aircraft. Why is it ok for company A to start a plane they are passionate about but they suddenly think a CZAR is needed to prevent companies like Icarus from doing the same?
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Should I not restore a 1969 Plymouth Roadrunner because other people already own them?
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Like an FS airplane if I want to restore a 69 Roadrunner I might be able to do a lot of the work myself, but I still may need to raise money for a paint job or to have the engine rebuilt. Like any FS plane we also have to outsource for things like texture work, flight dynamics, and other technical aspects. These individuals like the mechanic expect a return, and money also needs to be made by the developer so that they can finance future projects, though I know very few if any people that get a decent return for the hours that they invest. That is why I refer to this as being more of a hobby and a passion. If I person is only driven by profit I can see where this hobbyist attitude would be upsetting.
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Recently, in a moment of wisdom an individual in this thread had the following thing to say “were I to go into the Iris thread and say that we were making an F-16D too (we're not) wouldn't that be just a touch offensive?” Always a good idea to follow ones own advice.
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To end my unnecessarily long post,
Best wishes to the Icarus Team. I hope it is the best released yet.
 
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