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  • Please see the most recent updates in the "Where did the .com name go?" thread. Posts number 16 and 17.

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If you port-over there's a couple of Avia models coming soon...

Roger

Roger

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If you port-over there's a couple of Avia models coming soon...

The Avia 156 and 51 are being modelled as we speak for Fs9 and Milton asked me if I'd check them out as port-overs. The 51, tri-motor need a little more work yet but the 156 ports very well and with good frame rates too...

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There's my lady. That one works perfectly in FSX. I think anyone who enjoys the early era of aviation will appreciate the teams efforts to re-create this one. It was a joy to be on the team doing it.
 
Hi Anneke,
There is more work yet to be done on the vc but it is modelled and the Kedi gauges are used which look great in an aircraft of this vintage.

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Thanks for the great screen shots Roger. :)

The two aircraft, rare finds with very little available data, were inspired by a picture posted in the Historic Wings Society forum down in the basement. Thank you Moses03 for that inspiration.

We have recreated two of the Robert Nebesar designs done after he left the Detroit Aircraft Corporation and went home to Czechoslovakia to work for the Avia Company of Prague. Thanks to SOH team members and their network of resources, the exterior models properly represent the two aircraft exterior models. No information exists however on the cockpits although there is verbiage describing the cabins.

Since Scott was not available to do the panels and gauges, I had to do them myself (now that's a first!). Out of respect for the origin of the aircraft, I decided to do both English and Metric based panels. Since I am not a panel or gauge designer, I used default FS9 aircraft gauges of the era for the English based panels, and for the Metric based panels, used the KeDI freeware xml gauges. These are a bit dated but very functional. I had few options open to me.

The screenshot Roger posted of the Avia 51 English based panel uses FS9 default xml gauges.

Furthermore, I know that most here do not like port-overs to FSX. But, I know there are always people who try it and use them in FSX. So, I have created FSX port over version packages as well.

I also know that the cockpit standards set for FSX are way above anything I can accomplish here. The cockpits are austere, simple, basic, but subtle and quietly in the background. The upside is less frame rate hits ( I get 60FPS in FSX VC and exterior views with my sliders maxed without bloom).

These aircraft are great hand flyers and are fast for the era (186MPH and 145 MPH at cruise speeds).

So if you are into FSX quality, well modeled and detailed cockpits, these aircraft are NOT for you.
The cabins are nice though :)

The FS9 and FSX packages are separate, but still large files (roughly 83MB each).

Yes, we are trying to improve my poor panel textures :) but she will still be austere in front.

I am not encouraging any of you to download this for FSX unless you simply love these early 30's aircraft and can overlook the simple cockpits.

These are freeware offerings, and these are the first Avia 51's and Avia 156's ever to see any sim.

We hope to have them ready for general release by the end of the month.

Thanks to all the great SOH membership that have supported and made these aircraft available through their efforts.
 
Hi, Milton, I see absolutely nothing wrong with that VC! I really look forward to both projects because they are so rare. I really don't have a problem with port overs, especially if they don't have giga polys.

Best, Paul

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There's something purposefully pretty about the 156.

The radiator looks a bit shallow compared to the photo I've seen ... don't know if they experimented with different engines needing different cooling air mass requirements ... or just my eyes.

http://en.avia-club.com/gallery_detail.php?id=251&ddlb_model=48

That said, the digital model looks sleeker, so I'll happily take her in. Great job Milton and team!

DL

ps: I'm going to respectfully disagree with Milton on the idea that most here don't like port-overs. I would suggest there is likely a more vocal minority that holds that view. The reality is that regardless of the genre, there have been some superb niche FS9 models that will almost assuredly never be recreated in native FSX form. I cite as my personal examples such delights as Guzman's C-46, Conrad's X-24A, the AH Seafire - and the recent Doug Smith Firefly. Expat still happily flogs his Alphasim Vigi's, Crusaders, and Phantoms, and DaveQ appears as happy to paint the decade-old Voodoo as he is the months-old WBS Mustang.

The recent "favourite port-over" thread, less than two weeks old, having over 2000 reads suggest a strong interest in these older gems. Some of these are true classics that have given me at least as much enjoyment in FSX as they did in FS9. Upcoming FS9 models such as Milton's Tracker family are very eagerly anticipated, and especially given they're free, are worthy of the appreciation they deserve. But regardless of who likes them and who does not - thanks Milton (and company)!
 
I'm going to try my best to transfer my photo-real 156 textures onto the 51. No promises, but I am going to try.
 
Here's a visual of the Avia 51 (photo-real). I've got a long way to go.

Best viewed by right-click, view-image.

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This for me exemplefies what MS do not get about the sim community, they think it a game, we on the other hand find it an experience as well as a simulator. We can recreate an era or aircraft that will possibly never fly again and take pleasure in the fact. (I say "We" in the widest possible sense as I have no talent whatsoever and rely on the Miltons and Piglets of this world to bring these things to life for me). I am really looking forward to these beauties.
 
Agreed, Smith. :ernae: I, too, think too many people miss that fact. That you can have so many different aircraft, especially the rare birds, realized here. No, you can't really fly them, as my own pilot and sim-hating father always says. ;) However, I come back with the fact that, this is about as damn close as you or I will ever come to getting to fly a P-51, or P-38 for that matter. Or, these nice looking birds, that will probably never take to the skies again in human history.

No, we don't get those feelings of flying off a runway or the inertia of a nice tight turn... But, that's what imagination is kinda there for. :ernae:

Agreed also, with the fact that Milton's 'spartan' virtual cockpit is actually quite nice. Uh... no pun intended in either regard, Milton. :D Very nice cockpit, sir.
 
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