I'm in real trouble...help!

Hey Dirtster! I got a 24 in samsung sync master T 240. For refresh rate, I have the choice of 59 or 60 hertz. I use 60. The res is set to max, 1920 x 1200. Response time is 5ms (dang it). The machine I am on now has a 22 inch, 2ms. Hmm... could I live without that extra 2 inches? Like most fellas I feel size is everything!

Maybe I'm crying over nothing. Yesterday was the first mission I ever made where the fps dipped below 20. I had a low of 19.?. This was with 20 aircraft attacking an airfield with a lot of scenery around the wharfs, and lots of explosions.

As far as adjusting the res, or lowering any settings, it does not make a lick of difference in fps.

When I run into trouble is when I fly one of those great mega campaigns that the masters create. On some of the missions I can get down to 9 fps now and then.

Perhaps it is the monitor?:salute::ernae:
 
mariereid said:
Hey Dirtster! I got a 24 in samsung sync master T 240. For refresh rate, I have the choice of 59 or 60 hertz. I use 60. The res is set to max, 1920 x 1200. Response time is 5ms (dang it). The machine I am on now has a 22 inch, 2ms. Hmm... could I live without that extra 2 inches? Like most fellas I feel size is everything!
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Maybe swap the monitors and check for a difference in FR's?
It don't cost nuthin' ta try!



mariereid said:
Maybe I'm crying over nothing. Yesterday was the first mission I ever made where the fps dipped below 20. I had a low of 19.?. This was with 20 aircraft attacking an airfield with a lot of scenery around the wharfs, and lots of explosions.
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That is acceptable but should be higher considering the equipment that you have.

Try flying in "window-mode" - this will also increase FR's



mariereid said:
As far as adjusting the res, or lowering any settings, it does not make a lick of difference in fps.

When I run into trouble is when I fly one of those great mega campaigns that the masters create. On some of the missions I can get down to 9 fps now and then.

Perhaps it is the monitor?:salute::ernae:
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OK so here's a little trick: in the CFS2.CFG ; scroll down to the "CONTROLS" section and disable (change to "0") ALL the force-feedback settings. This is enabled by default and will decrease your FR's significantly - even if you don't have a force-feedback stick!

Kinda weird - BUT IT WORKS!


[CONTROLS]
force_master_gain=0
force_stick_force_enabled=0
force_stick_shaker_enabled=0
force_gear_bump_enabled=0
force_crash_enabled=0
force_ground_bumps_enabled=0
force_machinegun_enabled=0
force_bulletdamage_enabled=0
force_rocket_enabled=0
force_bomb_enabled=0
force_flak_enabled=0
 
Thanks, Dirty! I will swap monitors and see what happens. First I will try out the force feed back settings. They might be really set to the "max". If I don't hang on to the stick, I swear it would jump right of my desk! I'll let ya know how it goes.:salute::ernae:
 
Well, that was different! I just changed the gain from 10,000 to 1, just to see what happened. I checked out the mission that had less than 20fps over the base. Will wonders never cease! All the enemy aircraft have turned into RCAF P-40s. Beautys to look at, but what happen to all those zeros and vals? Never did make it to the base (fps problem area), I was too busy following P-40s that seemed to be flying in circles. I'd be crying, but I am fascinated by what has happened to my far from ready for prime time mission. Got to go the shop for a few hours. When I get home I will set all force feed back to 0. Very interesting!:salute::ernae:

Oh, yeah, everything except gain, all force feedback was set at 1.
 
Sorta On The Subject...

... Regarding changes in the CFS2.Cfg file...

I've been using the Zero Force Feedback trick for a long time - works wonders for keeping frame rates high on a laptop.

However, I sometimes have numbers change all by themselves in the CFG file - specifically:

[SITUATIONAL_OPTIONS]
Enemy_indicator=1
Radar=1
NameTags=1
Range_indicator=1
Combat_status_messages=1
Radio_com=1

Usually, it's the [Combat_Status_Messages] turning itself off... and I haven't clicked a thing.

Ideas ?
SC
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Seagull V said:
Hello Rami

There are lots of worse things that can happen then that.

"Tis a day of being at peace and celebrating life" (Something I have had to remind myself of !!!!)

Be at peace with yourself and have some great time with your family. Not much of mine is left.
Count your blessings !!!!!!!!!!!!!! :santahat:
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i say the same thing (no more or less than above)
 
Dirty, old boy, in the CFS2 cfg, after the force listings there is "PAN_RATE=400" and then "force_master_ enabled=1" Should I set that to 0, also?

Dirty and SC, I have never dared to mess with CFS2 cfg before, but it looks very interesting. I imagine when you make changes to your joystick and a lot of other settings, it changes in here. I see a Kiwi P-40 in there that I have not used for over a month.

I hope Rami don't mind us talking about this. I may not be in real trouble yet, but if I get curious, I might be!:ernae:
 
Hey, I tried the zero force deal and have the same fps. I use 2 installs for making missions, one I work in, the other I put missions in when I am happy with them. I am going to return the force setting to where they were. In my work install, after changing force settings to 0, everything was fine. I can copy this mission to my other install if it's still messed up. (I hope!) I sure would like to learn more about CFS2 cfg.

Guess I will have to try the smaller 2ms monitor and see what happens, before I run out and by that 27in 2ms Samsung I was reading about! I might get "cut off", but I have survived that before! :salute::ernae:
 
Hmm.......the 24in 5ms was slightly better than the 22in 2ms.

I see all enemy aircraft in 1 install have changed into P-40s in all the missions. They are fine in one install, but as soon as I move them over to the other they all change into P-40s. Oh well, I'll play with it for awhile and I can always make better missions. :ernae::salute:
 
I have never dared to mess with CFS2 cfg before, but it looks very interesting.
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Messing with a text file is easy. Before you do anything, just make a copy of it and call it CFS2.CFG.bak. That way, you always have a virgin copy of the file in case you need to go back to square one.
 
some kids just don't listen.....

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Yo Rickster;

I didn't say: "turn the force-feedback down"; ... I said: "turn it OFF" and then recheck the fps.
Lowering the intensity of the FF won't change the fps ... turning the FF off, WILL.


Also: to get an accurate fps comparison (between the 2 monitors or with the FF: on or off) you MUST use the same mission, with the same planes over the same scenery.

Different planes & scenery will change the fps; so you can't get an accurate comparison.

Personally I like to use MR's Henderson for testing because it has dense scenery with thousands of objects plus some ships.

There are other variables to consider when analyzing low fps:
- Are you using "windowed" or "full screen" mode? (windowed gives significantly higher fps)
- Are you in: "cockpit view", "virtual cockpit view" or "no panel-just air"? ("no panel-just air" gives higher fps)
- some panel gauges are real fps killers
- Are the other aircraft (in the mission) "high detail" or non-LOD? (these are the main fps killers)

Kinda makes sense ... eh?

Well at least we've solved one problem so far:

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Uncle Dirty; We've always know where the real problem was!

Let's see, I did test out the monitors as you said, everything exactly the same for both.

I did the force thing exactly as you said, eventually.

I do fly in 2D cockpit. I can't give that up! I am happy that setting all the force items to 0 did not make a difference, because I like the feeling of the runway, weapons, etc. I can't give that up!

I am in windowed mode. I do use a lot of high detailed stuff. For me the Iris P-40 is something I cannot use. I have used 10-15 Usio ships with no problem.

I am sure the fact that I had 3 "high detail" ships tied up to the same wharf, with a bunch of barrels and crates and a nice looking deuce and a half caused me to drop below 20. But I loves my eye candy!

I can control the fps in my own missions, and I can swap out what is causing problems in some of the great missions. But like you said, with my specs, I should not have to.

I know it seems strang, but I will have the same fps running "barebones" as I do running "full-tilt-maxed out". This old burnout has just not found the secret sweet spot yet!
:salute: and :ernae:
 
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