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warchild

warchild

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So there i was last night, sitting in my usual chair talking with the team on teamspeak, and taking a break from playing oblivion for 200 some hours ( not straight ), and And Razbam contacts me through skype and asks me if i'd like to test a visual model... Sure i say.. no worries.. And 20 minutes later, i got this big grin on my face..
In the 1970s, the OSD decided to replace the F-14 with of all things, the F-16, which as you all know went over like a lead balloon. However, never to be denied, the OSD came up woth an alternative, which was to give the Navy no choice but to select a lightweight VTOL aircraft. Two aircraft were submitted the first, was a radical design from general dynamics/convair called simply the convair 200, and based on a dual centerline lift engine behind the cockpit, with a rotating exhaust on the thrust engine.. . The Second offering was from North American and was based on a thrust augmented wing.. The Navy took one look at the two submittals and knew that thrust augmentation would never work, so they chose that plane to move forward with.. Of course it failed, and the Navy was happy because taking its place soon afterwards ( with a little political in fighting ) was the FA-18 Hornet, which has a story all its own..
This is the General Fynamics/Convair 201 which was the Conventional takeoff version of the craft.. I have a suspicion Razbam is working on the VTOL as well.. and yes, these actually flew in real life...

I recommend that if your interested in it that you stop on in at Razbams forum and say hello :)

Hope you like it..
Pam

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I've always thought the Rockwell entry looked cooler. Well, certainly more radical.

http://www.alexstoll.com/AircraftOfTheMonth/2-00.html

But in the end the Navy didn't really want anything to do with the idea of a VSTOL replacement for their F-14, they wanted what the the F-18 promised to be. So they set the whole program up to fail and wasted a lot of taxpayer money. Too bad, there might have been a replacement for the Harrier a lot sooner. Convair's concept eventually saw the light of day with the F-35 though. It should be an interesting project to watch.
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yup.. Thats what happens when a good plane meets bad politics... The rockwell plane was actually the opposing plane i was thinking of.. it looked cool, but itwas far too complex to function well.. So mush thrust was lost before it got to the nozzles that it became a farce... However, if you want cool looking, Smoothie found this little bird that went up against the A-12 and lost by a very narrow margin. However, it was never canceled but instead simply disappeared into I assume a planned obscurity for the next thirty years when all of a sudden, we have two new things in the sky. One of them coming to be called the wobbly goblin, and the other still shrouded in misdirection, mystery and concealment called aurora..

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I always did like project/concept aircraft and this one (201) looks killer :), always liked the F-108 Rapier as well.

Best

Michael
 
Interesting aircraft, never heard of it! Thanks for the head-up.

I hope they finish the SB2C Helldiver first though. It has been ominously quiet about it lately. The thread about it in the RAZBAM forum is as dry as the salt flats in Death Valley :icon_eek:

Cheers,
Mark
 
By Razbam's released info, the jet is very close. There is also a fresh helldiver update in the forum, but I think the jet is much nearer to the final.

Besides its impressive external model, you have to see the VC preview pictures to be more than amazed (what an Ejection seat texture and even this SafetyBelt !!).

Considering the offered (nav/att) full features, the model in all its aspects and the tradition of projects working flawlessly from day 1, I really have high hope for this bird..

btw...I regard it as a "Grippen" before the real Grippen came out:mixedsmi:
 
warchild said:
yup.. Thats what happens when a good plane meets bad politics... The rockwell plane was actually the opposing plane i was thinking of.. it looked cool, but itwas far too complex to function well.. So mush thrust was lost before it got to the nozzles that it became a farce... However, if you want cool looking, Smoothie found this little bird that went up against the A-12 and lost by a very narrow margin. However, it was never canceled but instead simply disappeared into I assume a planned obscurity for the next thirty years when all of a sudden, we have two new things in the sky. One of them coming to be called the wobbly goblin, and the other still shrouded in misdirection, mystery and concealment called aurora..

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It looks like a F117 flying wing.
 
Now this is what I'm talking about.Build some concept aircraft rather than another one we already have 5 of.
 
XLR8 said:
It looks like a F117 flying wing.
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Apparently there's still a lot of discussion going on regarding this aircraft and its likeness to Have Blue and the resulting F-117. Other facts about it arnt quite so well known. The Plane used radar absorbent material and there wasnt a single straight edge on the plane...
Remember, this was in 1959. Heres an image of it upside down for radar testing..
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'KD' - Yep

kilo delta said:
Looks like a Saab JA37 Viggen..

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You're aircraft 'recce' prowess is beyond reproach! (For starters, the Rockwell aircraft has no center-line vertical stabilizer. Plenty more features that distinguish it! However, note the wing(s) trailing and leading edges.)
 
Sorry guys, but for my eyes it looks like:


Grippen

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There are differences though:

Conv201: 3d-inlets for more robust Supersonic Performance, short nose for better downward visibility, Fixed/flap type canards.

Grippen: All moving canards (higher agility), long nose (forebody based high AOA lift generation), much smaller exhaust area (lower thrust engine)
 
warchild said:
yup.. Thats what happens when a good plane meets bad politics... The rockwell plane was actually the opposing plane i was thinking of.. it looked cool, but itwas far too complex to function well.. So mush thrust was lost before it got to the nozzles that it became a farce... However, if you want cool looking, Smoothie found this little bird that went up against the A-12 and lost by a very narrow margin. However, it was never canceled but instead simply disappeared into I assume a planned obscurity for the next thirty years when all of a sudden, we have two new things in the sky. One of them coming to be called the wobbly goblin, and the other still shrouded in misdirection, mystery and concealment called aurora..

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convair_KINGFISH
 
warchild said:
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This is the General Fynamics/Convair 201 which was the Conventional takeoff version of the craft.. I have a suspicion Razbam is working on the VTOL as well.. and yes, these actually flew in real life...
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Really?? I know the Rockwell (North American) design never flew as it simply couldn't but from my recollection the Convair design was never built let alone flew.
 
Im just waiting for Clint Eastwood to steel something again from the Russians :kilroy: in this century ... a weekend at Clint,s place maybe :mixedsmi:
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The heck with these weird looking oil burners that have the aerodynamics of a brick and need a computer to keep them right side up..
Let's get going on the SB2C, a real airplane with a real recip engine and a propeller with a real person driving it.
At the rate that Razbam is going, I'll be long gone before it is published. I'll tell my Great-Grand Kids to look for it..
 
Guys, we will get to the helldiver this year, but it is unknown as to when this year, but it will be this year.
 
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