IRIS F-14 mini-review

[Major_Spittle]

A couple things here:

You can't say anything negative around here without being blasted or being made fun of. I assumed that a few feathers would be ruffled and I was prepared for the return volley. I'm glad the IRIS guys can take my opinion in stride and have a laugh about it.

I'm sorry my post wasn't particularly constructive, but I don't know exactly what I think IRIS should do better because I don't know how to make aircraft for MSFS or tweak air files. (Before some genius goes that route) There's nothing wrong with not knowing how to do something and not liking someone else's results. Have you ever disliked a car? Most people have an auto model or manufacturer they hate and they probably can't design and build cars.

Anyway; this aircraft costs almost 40 dollars US. I was told by IRIS in another thread that detail comparable to the aerosoft F-16 was not to be expected. Why does it cost more than the aerosoft F-16? You can price it however you want, but you gotta expect frustration with this one. Chris Sykes: The textures are not horrible, I never said they were; but I'll bet noone from IRIS would even claim they were of the highest quality you can get for FSX. You can't be serious. Posts like that are why people with contrary points hide around here. I simply wanted to point out that in my opinion, the textures are not good enough for my 40 dollars.

The cost of planes seems pretty high to me and spending 30-50 dollars on something just to realize it wasn't worth it gets expensive. I will no longer spend over $20 for a plane. They just don't add > $30 enjoyment to the game. I will save money like that for true add-ons to FSX. :friday:

 

[tigisfat]

I'm with you on your summary - Im not over impressed with it either.

Thanks for posting!! I knew I couldn't be the only one.:wave:

 

[Kiwikat]

Though it may not be as impressive as some people would like (and I somewhat agree), it is still awesome to have in FSX and has provided/still provides me many hours of fun.

 

[Chris Sykes]

what i was meaning by quality was in fact that the image sizes are at maximum size FSX will take, this means that theres more detailing can be added to each pixel instead. Also the paints included with the F-14 are not whethered or worn because that will kill of the reapinters jobs that creat such loverly repaints! The point of constructive critism is to point out what you feel is wrong and back it up with evidence, were not at all asking you to tell us how to change the model or textures or FDE at all...

 

[tigisfat]

Constructive comments normally are backed up with details on what is wrong, evidence to back up an opinion on why something is wrong and suggestions or information for us to use in order to address said problem.)

Thank you.

Look; I'll send you more specific info privately if I get the chance to use it again. I didn't start this thread to pick the aircraft apart. It really wasn't even a complaint thread for IRIS. I just wanted to convey an impression of dissatisfaction with some general information to a potential buyer.

 

[gajit]

Hi

But on balance I have to say that for me i still get tremendous pleasure flying the IRIS PC9 in both FS9 and X and d i have welcomed the continued improvements to the VCs produced by IRIS.

Often its just the "feel" of a product that can immerse you rather than the individual components - Im not sure that explains it well.

I don't blame producers being defensive and challenging opinions and sometimes im tempted to buy something that is being debated so i can make up my own mind - like the Flight1 Mustang which i now think is fantastic.

 

[Boomer]

So what exactly is the point of this thread?

By your own admissions you do not own the product so all you have invested is 5mins of your time. Hardly worthy of a rant & yet we have one.

What is the real agenda here?

 

[gajit]

So what exactly is the point of this thread?

By your own admissions you do not own the product so all you have invested is 5mins of your time. Hardly worthy of a rant & yet we have one.

What is the real agenda here?

Why should Tigis have an agenda? I like SOH because people give their views - good or bad, which helps me consider a product carefully rather than fall for the carefully chosen screenshots and sometimes misleading descriptions offered by some producers. Same as i welcome views on the purchase of real life objects like cars, guitars etc.

 

[Dag]

So what exactly is the point of this thread?

By your own admissions you do not own the product so all you have invested is 5mins of your time. Hardly worthy of a rant & yet we have one.

What is the real agenda here?

I dunno, I have a request for a repaint at least...

 

[Boomer]

Why should Tigis have an agenda? I like SOH because people give their views - good or bad, which helps me consider a product carefully rather than fall for the carefully chosen screenshots and sometimes misleading descriptions offered by some producers. Same as i welcome views on the purchase of real life objects like cars, guitars etc.

Because this aircraft has been on the market over a month & if you want to hear what those other than producers have to say just look here

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/showthread.php?t=6440&highlight=iris+f-14

Thats 106 posts describing the product via owner comments. No new ground is being broken here. What this whole thing boils down to is a rant via someone who has nothing more than 5mins invested.

Who here can give an intelligent, informed decision on anything with only 5mins exposure?

Ive said my piece. Rant on as you see fit.

 

[gajit]

someone who has nothing more than 5mins invested.

All I'll say Boomer is first impressions for me really do seem to count when it comes to hopping into that newly purchased VC cockpit.

Usually the initial "Wow - this is great" or "Oh no - why did i buy this" rarely ever changes whether its 5 mins or 5 hours of use. If im not impressed with a product i sometimes leave it for another day and try again just in case its my frame of mind but i usually feel the same the next day.

Perhaps im just a grumpy old git!!!

 

[IanP]

Look; I'll send you more specific info privately if I get the chance to use it again. I didn't start this thread to pick the aircraft apart. It really wasn't even a complaint thread for IRIS. I just wanted to convey an impression of dissatisfaction with some general information to a potential buyer.

Having publicly slated a product that you now state you have actually not used to long enough to learn anything about it, you now try to make your comments private.

A little late for that, is it not?

 

[Warrant]

Kinda high temperature in this thread, that seems to go nowhere.

Surprised it is still open.

 

[bstolle]

>The flight model is bad.... I am a pilot and I know when things are rediculous.
>It seems to do everything wrong.....
>I for one think ace combat simulates fighter physics better
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>I didn't start this thread to pick the aircraft apart

Well, if your initial post didn't pick the aircraft apart, I don't want to read what happens IF you start doing it!

Your post would fit much better to your 'other' forum as there are too many designers and professionals in this forum to take such a post serious.

Furthermore why can't you state in this thread what's wrong with the flight dynamics ?????
Maybe you can proove what's so terribly wrong.

 

[Major_Spittle]

Crap, they guy relayed his impression of an airplane on the market. People can take from it whatever they want. He was honest and stated his limited exposure to the plane and let people know that he personally got to fly it 5 minutes and now he isn't willing to pay $40 for it because it didn't look like a $40 plane or fly in a realistic enought manner.

Is this not allowed on the forum? Only good glowing fuzzy comments on products? Let me know know so I don't accidently bring up my experiences with Abacus.

 

[IanP]

Provided you're prepared to evidence it and back up your statements, M_S, no-one will bat an eyelid. The problem here is a smattering of hypocracy ("I don't want to attack" while letting off both barrels) along with playing with a more-than-average complexity model for five seconds and saying it's utter rubbish.

Now on the other hand, I can name a few Abacus "FSX" models which have barely been to FS8 standard... and back up my statements with comparisons and screenshots! (Well, actually, I can't right now, but if I reinstalled the products I could. I just wouldn't want to!)

 

[Major_Spittle]

It is his opinion, if you disagree why don't you contribute to the thread by relaying your experiences with the plane vs all the whining going on about his opinion and that it is somehow invalid.

btw, here is my opinion and I have never touched the plane. It is not worth the same price as FSX and I will not buy it.

 

[IanP]

Value for money is, and will always be, a matter of personal opinion. That's up to you, although you are missing out on a lot of massive improvements over the base sim by taking that stand, that's your choice. The cost balance of high (MS FSX) versus low (any add-on for the above not sold by MS) sales products has been done so many times that I'm going to change no-one's mind by going through it all again.

However, starting an entire new thread on a product to slate it and then not defending your accusations with any supporting information whatsoever neither constitutes a "review", nor a particularly valid post. Personally, I couldn't care less what anyone thinks of any product, that's their opinion not mine, but if I'm going to tell someone that something is utter tripe and not to buy it, I know darned well that I have to be prepared to stand by my words when someone takes me to task over them.

In short, post what you like, provided you're prepared to back it up with facts, figures and comparisons... I certainly have nothing at all against negative reviews, provided they're done in a meaningful way.

(edited to add: Lowest review score I've ever seen in a magazine - 9% for "Sims2 H&M Stuff" - the subtitle was "They should be paying you if they want you to advertise their clothes online!" )

 

[gajit]

If people think a product is good - say it. If you think its bad - say it. But don't complain because people don't agree with your views. I'm always amazed when people rubbish products I like but have to conceed that it is all about the fact that we are all different - just like the varing standards from producers.

Complaining about us saying we don't like something is non-productive - you should be telling us what we are missing from your POV - why you rate the F-14 so highly - balance this rather than attack us for having a different opinion from you.

 

[RCAF_Gunner]

First impressions can be everything and, unfortunately, you often have to lay down the cash first before you get to realize you just paid way too much for something. The first impression is relative too. Something that is personnally unacceptable at a $35 - $40 USD price tag might have been accepted at the $15 - $20 price. Some of us don't have unlimited financial resources to buy everything that comes out then casually right off the disappointments in the "oh well" category. I have a strong hunch that all of us who support payware add-ons have had at least one of those "oh well" experiences.

It's a brave thing to post an honest but negative first impression on most forums ...