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IRIS Yak-130

This is a great idea David! I'm sick of American aircraft at the moment so this makes an ideal change, and you know it'll be so much fun to fly too. Imagine the fun of the L39 with more power and up to date avionics, how can that be bad lol? Didn't Italy have a part in this jet too?
 
Frankly ?

I think the Iris Yak-130 project is a totally non sense !

As proud Australians I thing the Iris team must ( must ) have prioritized a BAe Hawk
Mk-100 LIFT as a native FSX project with a lot of potential repaints options like :

Australia
Bahrain
Canada
Indonesia
Oman
Malaysia
United Arab Emirates
United Kingdom
Etc....

.... as the best potential advanced jet trainer projet for FSX !

But the Yak-130 ?
Yeark !

Totally insane !
:sheep:
VaporZ

This being said !
I fully salute and support the Pilatus PC-21 Iris project for FSX ....

and eventually

a future Alenia M-346 Master project,

But the Yak-130 ?
No thanks !
 
To bad to see such discussions reappearing once in awhile...to often, again unfortunately.

A dev cannot make every customer happy, if he/she could they would certainly will make that happen. But as we all know, that is impossible.
Yak-130? Why not! Unique for the flightsim community right?
Some only build a model in one or two versions (ie a single seater and a twin seater). Others build complete families of a plane type.
And if their own favorite plane is developed and build.... some people will still complain, as it is not up to their expectations.

Sure I do have my own "I would like to see in FSX list" ....The whole F-8 Crusader family (yes including the Crusader III), the whole Dassault F1 family....etc


But the following will NEVER change:

Some models we want are in development, but the most we want are not.


:salute:
Cheers,
Hank
 
I really hope that this Yak-130 will be a hit with the broader community.
At the same time, it must be tough on the developers to hear that their current project is essentially a waste of time to some.
This is what I have an issue with. I have seen other Western aircraft developed that may not be everyone's "cup of tea", but these are not generally met with the same aggression against their development in the first place. It's an aircraft with a mission profile that simulation users seem to enjoy, but as soon as you get a non-US/European company involved, there's a push against it by some people.

Yes, I'm an advocate for non-Western aircraft. That being said, I still use numerous Western types, but.... I know that many would be happy only seeing Western types. Why...I don't know.
I like the variety....but this active push against Yaks, Tupolevs, Ilyushins (and I've seen this in regard to a handful of other aircraft on other forums. Not so much here until today) is just odd to me.

The latest trend seems to consist of having two or three developers compete to see who can make the more popular "aircraft A", instead of two or three developers making "aircraft A, B, and C". I bet if some here only saw Boeing 7XX series in development over and over, or Grumman/Northrop F-# they would be as happy as can be. I like the variety, and the willingness to recognize that there are more than US/Western European aircraft in existence in the world. I know for a fact that some here would be fine if we only saw Boeing, Airbus, Grumman, and Lockheed (and subsidiaries) as the main and only addon aircraft products to be developed.

This observation is based on seeing the reaction of numerous forums, and privately being queried as to my "allegiances" shall we say, due to my interest in non-Western designs. Yes, it's happened here and elsewhere, and it's been both startling, frustrating, ...yet a bit amusing too to see the mindsets of some.

Some may not agree with this based on their perspective of my posts and news updates, but I am not advocating for Russian aircraft only, or that development must be sacrificed in the name of variety. I enjoy seeing what the latest Western aircraft is, and I enjoy using them. My latest favorites have been the Virtavia SH-3 Sea King and the Carenado C90 King Air for example. Don't stop development of one thing to focus on something else. Just...focus on a variety!

I apologize for bringing this up yet again, but it seems to happen each time something like this is announced and/or released, and I frankly have not seen it with Western designs, other than when a lot of bugs are involved....and it's frustrating to see the close-mindedness of some!

There are luckily vocal supporters, as can be seen here, but there still is a lot of ground to cover to get these sort of aircraft to be widely accepted in the predominately Western, age +30 flight simulation community.


Again, I don't want to bring this up yet again, because I'm sure to some, it gets old and some are saying "there's that kid into Commie stuff again".....but I feel that my observations need to be pointed out and addressed if we are to get a wider variety of aircraft spanning the WORLD in the flight simulation addon community.


I'm looking forward to seeing more development images of this Yak from IRIS, along with the other aircraft due within the year, and I hope that all of the aggression against "wasting time" on Russian aircraft development subsides and more fanfare is shown by those who are willing to embrace aircraft such as these.
 
Unbelievable negativity in this thread, the insular view that we need yet another A, B, C, D model F numbered aircraft misses so much of the aviation that exists world wide, any true enthusiast of flight would welcome one and all flying machines. Just take a look at the video Noddy posted to see this flying machine has some pretty interesting features and looks potentially like a lot of fun to fly.
 
sorry off topic

Naki said:
For me the only military jet I want at the moment is a Scooter (the Virtavia A-4 looks very promising)
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Razbam are doing one as well, while Virtavia keep things simple, but i think Razbam's is going to have droppable stuff (cant remember where i read it), hope razbam might be able to shed some light in this

YAK, meh, not for me, but so arent a lot of things
 
USAF/USN aircraft that have been made/are being made for FSX:

F-16C/D, F-15C/E, F/A-18C/E, F-22, F-35, F-14, F-111, F-4, F-104, F-86, AV-8B, A-4, A-6, A-7, A-10, C-17, C-27, C-130, B-52, B-1, T-38, SR-71.

I'm fairly certain that covers a great deal of both active and classic American military aircraft. Apart from a few aircraft to fill in the gaps, like the (much needed) C-141, a decent C-5 and the B-2, what else could you possibly need or want? Now, what's out there for ВВС России?

MiG-21, Su-27, L-39.

Now, this isn't to say that developers should stop making Western aircraft. As I said, I really do want a good C-141, C-5, C-2, etc. But the Russian side of things has been so badly neglected, despite there being quite a large Russian community and plenty of Sovietophiles, such as myself, it's a bit myopic to prematurely laud this Iris project as an abject and unwanted failure or disappointment.

VaporZ said:
But the Yak-130 ?
Yeark !

Totally insane !

VaporZ

This being said !
I fully salute and support the Pilatus PC-21 Iris project for FSX ....

and eventually

a future Alenia M-346 Master project,

But the Yak-130 ?
No thanks !
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The Alenia M-346 is essentially the Yak-130...except, it's doubtful whether either it, or the Pilatus PC-21 will be used in such great numbers by one of the most influential superpowers on Earth...I don't see why the development of the Yak-130 is any more irrational or "insane" than the development of the M-346.
 
Hi everyone,
Great read! Please keep your opinions coming (no sarcasm, you should all know by now I enjoy reading all your commentary!).

I've picked a couple of posts out to reply to as a beginning and let's see where the conversation takes us. :)

Felixthreeone said:
...Sorry if this seems a bit harsh or sour, but it is getting to be a bit disturbing that payware developers with such high-caliber skills go after such obscurities to develop.
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Felix, I know you cleared up the 1st post a few posts later but I want to reply to the initial reaction as there are some others that have felt the same.

David and other developers like to broaden their horizons and they like to push their knowledge and their capabilities. When something new presents itself David likes to (more often than not) grab a hold of it & push it forward. Whilst each new project is new & fun & interesting, there are some things that can be monotonous and so an obscure plane is a great diversion.

SeanTK said:
...I would rather see a variety of aircraft developed over this recent trend of two, three, or even more developers all covering the same aircraft type...
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Exactly! Other than diversifying David's skillset he also like to pick things that aren't currently on other developers books, or as far as we are aware they're not anyway. Over the years we've produced planes that other Devs have done or are doing and whilst we all bring something different to the table (you can never have too many desserts or wines now can you?!?) every now and then you want to be the main course all to yourself. :D

skyhawka4m said:
my next jet will be the Virtavia A-4.....no other! Good luck on this one IRIS.....I'm out of this one. What happened to the Tomcat IRIS was redoing?
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Good question Skyhawk! The F-14 is still on David's list and he has recently been in discussions with another party in regards to it. There will be announcements about the F-14 eventually, but not in the next month or so. Because it would be the 3rd time it's been redone we want to see what other creative juices we can bring to it's 3rd incarnation. :)

strykerpsg said:
OH cool! I thought initially it was another aerobatic type...this one looks sweet and obscure, as has been pointed out. I too would like to see some of their earlier models brought up to their current standards of shine, but this one is great looking too.
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Strykerpsg we have a large collection of early model planes that we want to do things with. In some cases we don't have the source files so the project can be dead in the water, in another 2 one of the other guys who is learning to develop a sim has taken the reigns and there are some more again that we would love to see fly again, and perhaps they will when there's more advanced game/sim play to have - TacPack and so on.

hae5904 said:
...But the following will NEVER change:

Some models we want are in development, but the most we want are not. ...
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Some of the models we as Devs (and wives ;-)) want also aren't going to be made. A lot comes down to audience & target market; cost of development and also the resources available. If we can't get documents or schematics or manuals then a lot of it is guess work and that can be harder to pull off.

In a perfect world we would make you all planes, all that you could ever want. Alas we're in a time-poor, resource restricted environment :) Who knows though what's coming around the corner.

Thanks everyone for your input!

~K
 
IRIS said:
David and other developers like to broaden their horizons and they like to push their knowledge and their capabilities. When something new presents itself David likes to (more often than not) grab a hold of it & push it forward. Whilst each new project is new & fun & interesting, there are some things that can be monotonous and so an obscure plane is a great diversion.
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That's a key issue too; developing aircraft can be a long and tedious project so a developer should be able to put his heart and soul into it, or you'll end up with a rather mediocre aircraft. There's not much money to be made in this hobby, so there should at least be fun!

I myself am looking forward to both the PC-21 and the Yak-130 (And Luca's M-346 too!)
 
peter12213 said:
This is a great idea David! I'm sick of American aircraft at the moment so this makes an ideal change, and you know it'll be so much fun to fly too. Imagine the fun of the L39 with more power and up to date avionics, how can that be bad lol? Didn't Italy have a part in this jet too?
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Pete if i recall both Aermacchi and Yakovlev worked together (In Agreement) on the M-346/YAK-130, hence it's external similarities....
 
Karen,

Great reply above and thanks for taking the time to elaborate a bit on everyone's comments. I whole heartedly look forward to your revamping the earlier stuff, where possible, as well as your out of the box movements away from the ordinary. As has been pointed out, there are multitudes of models that have been redundantly done, admittedly many ported over from FSX so when they are re-done into true FSX format, they truly then shine.

Anyway, not to keen on the aerobatic ones of late, but this one looks pretty BA to me and would love to pick it up, more so because of it's obscurity in the western skies. So, will watch this one a bit more carefully and keep my fingers crossed for a T6B, updated F-14 and any other earlier releases that can be updated as well.
 
Yes, Iris is working on a Yak-130. I'm doing the flight model for it. The Yak 130 is offered with 2 engine variations, of those two it seems that only the AL-222-25 is used. The Al-222-25 comes in two power outputs, a 4850 pound version and a 6.125 pound version. Not much but in a plane thats only slightly bigger than a tweet, its plenty. Some people call it subsonic, some people call it supersonic. The 4850 LB thrust model will push the plane to 597 knots. I havent found specs for the 6125 lb version yet. Like the tweet, its both a trainer and a light strike/ground support aircraft. And also like the tweet, it can carry a dizzying amount of weapons.
A glass cockpit in russian?? Certainly would make things easier for the modelers. I cant read a word of it myself but everything is pretty self explanatory
Stay tuned.
Pam.
 
I think it's a good choice for a model build. Could you guys do a Frecce Tricolori paint with this model, since it's so similiar to being an M-346? Just trying to notch up my pretend factor, here. ;)
 
I'm not sure which liveries well have on it to be sure.. i'm focusing on just the numbers and performance of the thing.. Most sites quote engines used in the prototype, but those got changed. the newer engines are 800 pounds more powerful, and push the plane to the edge of mach one ( but not past it so it can be used in the round the world race as well ), Freece tricolori would be an excellent paint, but i have no control over that..
 
SeanTK said:
So...apparently IRIS is working on a Yak-130, according to their Facebook page. (Please no comments about Facebook itself...we get it, people like different things...)

https://www.facebook.com/irissimulations

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakovlev_Yak-130

It'll be really interesting to see them pull off a Russian-language glass-panel system. Just did some snooping and it's a glass cockpit.
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Nice "out of the box" thinking by Iris!
Great plane. Looking forward to fly it.
 
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