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Is the AS F-16 the future of FSX aircraft?

Bearcat, the appeal of such simulations is not just limited to weapons systems. The same reason why some of us like to fly the big radials, etc. Just because it doesn't fire guns doesn't mean it isn't a great simulation!

Often times those advanced standalone simulations miss a lot that FSX offers. For example, navaids, round the world airports, modability, excellent terrain, better navigation systems, etc etc etc, and last but not least, comfortability. I don't have to learn a whole new simulator, but rather the systems itself.

Having worked with the teams that both produced the Aerosoft F-16 and VRS Superbug, both offer things that cannot be done even in standalone simulations. What if I want to do a canyon run in a photo gen area? What if I want to take a stroll around egypt and just soak in the scenery?

You might call it a bull with tits, but sometimes other simulations are nothing more than tits attached to a bull.
 
bearcat241 said:
If you're into modern jets with advance systems in flightsimming, this thread reads like a strong case for branching out to vintage combat sims like Falcon 4, LOMAC, Jane's USAF and the venerable Jane's F/A-18E Superhornet (my old favorite). Any of these sims can be purchased for half -- or much less than half -- of the cost of most of these complex payware fighter jets for the FS series. And the "cherry on top" is that the advanced systems can be used for more than just the "wow factor". As flightsimming goes, i'm all for having the most advanced realism possible in practical, useable aircraft systems. But a system must have an end purpose beyond just making the user say "wow, that's cool!". Why do ppl pay for that effect anyway?

If you buy this addon software, you should be able to activate different radar modes to track a target BVR, fire an AIM-120 or something like it and actually hit something. And if you prefer the knife fight, get in close, switch to IR tracking and smoke your quarry with a Sidewinder. That's the "end purpose" that comes to mind when i hear announcements for this kind of advanced stuff... why pay for complex weapons systems that do any less than this?

And since the MS won't go any further than civil simming in a modern framework, this whole advance weapons system "as payware" thing is just tits on a bull. :mixedsmi:
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Other than six months of dropping bomb on trees and monkeys in SEA, I never once, in almost ten years, every fired a shot at someone. Before Iraq, no one shot at other airplanes. We pretended to do so.

I don't think many people are willing to put in the time and effort to really learn modern weapons systems. Most people will be happy with locking up an AI airliner and pulling up into close trail or fingertip formation.

What I think will happen will be what Acursim has started. Consequences for neglecting your aircraft systems. Run the engine too hard for too long and virtual turbine blades will fly through your virtual airplane skin. Over speed the gear, and it may not come up, or colaspe when you land.

I think that most military aircraft will go to working TACANs. Very few, if any, modern day TACANs do not have a VOR associated with it. It is a easy database conversion to allow you to dial in the channel and the radio will show the channel, i.e, 22 while the radio will actually tune to 108.5 MHz.

I don't know how hard it is to simulate terrain following radar, but that would be nice, in the aircraft that have it working in their RL counterparts.
 
falcon409 said:
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Not so unlike another airplane I cut my teeth on in the mid to late 60's. . .the Super Saber. I worked on the F-100 for 2 years while I was active Duty and never once heard it called a "Hun", yet when Kazunori Ito came out with his Super Saber and later when the Donationware Super Saber was released, as I was doing research for liveries to repaint, I found site after site referring to it as the Hun. Don't have any idea where it came from but I know we never called it that in the years I worked on it. We called it the "Lead Sled" or the "Super Saber".
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I think "Hun" was short for "Hundred." It was the first of the Century fighters.
 
falcon409 said:
I can only speak from my own experiences, having worked on the Falcon for 16 years, within the ranks of Crew Chiefs, Specialists and Pilots, I never heard it referred to as the Viper on a daily basis.
Not so unlike another airplane I cut my teeth on in the mid to late 60's. . .the Super Saber. I worked on the F-100 for 2 years while I was active Duty and never once heard it called a "Hun", yet when Kazunori Ito came out with his Super Saber and later when the Donationware Super Saber was released, as I was doing research for liveries to repaint, I found site after site referring to it as the Hun. Don't have any idea where it came from but I know we never called it that in the years I worked on it. We called it the "Lead Sled" or the "Super Saber".
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Well, my only point being that I have heard the F-16 refered to as Viper as far back as 1986, and it not being a new name. As to if it is used on a daily basis, I've been an airline pilot for the last 19 years so I wouldn't know. I'll take your word on it, being that you have spent so much time around the F-16.


The name "Hun" comes from the first three letters of Hundred.
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According to Keith Rosenkranz in his book, Vipers in the Storm (page 17)

General Dynamics wanted to use the word "Falcon" for the new F-16A. However, the Dassault Fan Jet Falcon aready had the name, "Falcon." so the USAF rejected "Falcon." Other names like, Eaglet & Condor were suggested. Pilots started calling it the "Viper" and that name became popular.

Three years afterward the word "Fighting" was added and the plane officially became the F-16 Fighting Falcon and so christened on July 21 1980 at Hill AFB. Still, the name Viper remained popular.
 
jmig said:
What I think will happen will be what Acursim has started. Consequences for neglecting your aircraft systems. Run the engine too hard for too long and virtual turbine blades will fly through your virtual airplane skin. Over speed the gear, and it may not come up, or colaspe when you land.
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That's what I'd like to see. Without aircraft systems flying the Tomcat is almost the same as Cessna but faster, CTRL+E, and full throttle. :173go1:
 
jmig said:
. . . . .Three years afterward the word "Fighting" was added and the plane officially became the F-16 Fighting Falcon and so christened on July 21 1980 at Hill AFB. . . . .
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And so it shall always be, thanks jmig!:applause:
 
FX AS F16,a masterpiece no doubt.For the Falcon fans an amazing gift..There is no comparison with any Fs9 model...I didnt read the manual to learn any system,it,s easy to figure out by clicking stuff .It is not a complex aircraft to learn and fly..I have a modest system and i have no frame rate issues.I miss the candy eye things like intakes covers, wheel chocks and other stuff like that..Things like captain sim added on their Fx C-130..That,s my only beef with this model,but i still love it anyway.:applause:
 
jmig said:
According to Keith Rosenkranz in his book, Vipers in the Storm (page 17)

General Dynamics wanted to use the word "Falcon" for the new F-16A. However, the Dassault Fan Jet Falcon aready had the name, "Falcon." so the USAF rejected "Falcon." Other names like, Eaglet & Condor were suggested. Pilots started calling it the "Viper" and that name became popular.

Three years afterward the word "Fighting" was added and the plane officially became the F-16 Fighting Falcon and so christened on July 21 1980 at Hill AFB. Still, the name Viper remained popular.
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Actually,
The nickname "Fighting Falcon" was awarded on 11 May 1976 --> http://www.f-16.net/articles_article10.html :mixedsmi:

Now because the guy who picked it was enlisted is why I suspect it took until 1980 for the "official" ceremony :d
 
"I don't know what it's called, I just know the sound it makes when it takes another man's life" - Sergeant "Four Leaf" Tayback (Nick Nolte in Tropic Thunder) :costumes:
 
Oh man, I REALLY want the AS F-16, My system just sucks too bad for FSX to run smoothly. You FSX guys are taking us FS9 guys fun away :icon_lol:. Now I can't wait to get that new system I've been looking at, who sais I can't buy myself a present.
 
Have any of you tried the F5 Tiger from FlyLogic? I have this model, and to me it’s the spiritual successor to the Cloud 9 F4 Phantom, which was my favourite aircraft in FS9 and was promised to be made a free upgrade to FSX, but that has never happened, and doesn’t look as though it ever will after this length of time.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:eek:ffice:eek:ffice" /><o:p></o:p>
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Hi,

F-100 Super Saber is in fact F-100 Super Sabre as in F-86 Sabre and the sharp weapon. I miss a good one for FS too, bad!!:banghead:

Thanks
 
BananaBob said:
"I don't know what it's called, I just know the sound it makes when it takes another man's life" - Sergeant "Four Leaf" Tayback (Nick Nolte in Tropic Thunder) :costumes:
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Oh what a quality movie :friday:
 
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