It's happened to you...
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Ralf Roggeveen
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Well, the Carters spent a record three days in Paris, which may be why they saved it till last. Mrs Carter had a nephew who worked there. Though they managed to miss him at the airport (it happens to all of us, doesn't it?), they did eventually meet up. Then they did very touristy things like visiting that Eiffel Tower and the Louvre to see the Mona Lisa and Venus de Milo. [Charlene has just said 'Isn't the Louvre where the French have their Wet T-Shirt Competition?'] While we're waiting for them, better have a look round the Le Bourget area where we will indeed find UAT and Air France, as well as a few exotic carriers from afar...
Having got ourselves parked, TT Explorer immediately spotted this CSA Il-14 arriving from his own capital city, Prague:
And another shot of it:
Here's one of the Sabena choppers in flight, from the Lat & Longitudes, near Beauvais:
The EJ codes are not in my Seldec book, but I would guess they are helipads, one at the airport, one in the town centre? No doubt Tom can verify that. Lovely British charter Skyways liveried DC-3 with a Cessna arriving from EBCI Brussels South, at Beauvais LFOB there:
And the Big Orange of the time has her sister visiting:
Air France gooneybird (Oiseau de Goonie?) going to Pleurtuit in Brittany which more-or-less translates to 'Rainy' or 'Tearful', so maybe not a holiday destination:
We are in Le Pays des Caravelles, the Land of Caravelles; here's one on the ground:
Plus a magnificent Air France 707 needed, I believe, to get across the Atlantic to where it originally came from, as Caravelles never had the range:
This old Boeing Stratocruiser, just in from NY Idlewild, sneaked by giving her flashy cousin a disdainful look:
Elderly she may be, but that 377 can cross the Pond!
Having got ourselves parked, TT Explorer immediately spotted this CSA Il-14 arriving from his own capital city, Prague:
And another shot of it:
Here's one of the Sabena choppers in flight, from the Lat & Longitudes, near Beauvais:
The EJ codes are not in my Seldec book, but I would guess they are helipads, one at the airport, one in the town centre? No doubt Tom can verify that. Lovely British charter Skyways liveried DC-3 with a Cessna arriving from EBCI Brussels South, at Beauvais LFOB there:
And the Big Orange of the time has her sister visiting:
Air France gooneybird (Oiseau de Goonie?) going to Pleurtuit in Brittany which more-or-less translates to 'Rainy' or 'Tearful', so maybe not a holiday destination:
We are in Le Pays des Caravelles, the Land of Caravelles; here's one on the ground:
Plus a magnificent Air France 707 needed, I believe, to get across the Atlantic to where it originally came from, as Caravelles never had the range:
This old Boeing Stratocruiser, just in from NY Idlewild, sneaked by giving her flashy cousin a disdainful look:
Elderly she may be, but that 377 can cross the Pond!
Ralf Roggeveen
Charter Member
We know how the French hung onto their beloved old Stratoliners:
That one is coming from Nice where we were recently. Here's the UAT DC-6 I parked next:
And a BEAliner Viscount on his way out:
More exotic, a Yugoslav:
Pretty propblades. He's going to Ottobrunn, Germany (the other aircraft in the distance there is off to Kastrup, another European airport that we & the Carters have visited in 1959). And a further French cargo-carrier (you may remember finding some of these guys acting suspicious in SE Asia when we passed through that time with the Comet 4 in Speedbird Round the World):
Our friend from Beirut:
DC-6s? Collect the set! Now for an Alitalia one:
And here's something German arriving from Dusseldorf (Bockholt's birthplace), though not a Douglas this time:
Nice just to add a Caravelle in action, off to Barcelona:
Think I'll save the delights of Orly for a future date.
Here's Vincent with the Eiffel Tower visible in the background. I guess the real Van Gough must have seen it, but he never painted such a cliche.
That one is coming from Nice where we were recently. Here's the UAT DC-6 I parked next:
And a BEAliner Viscount on his way out:
More exotic, a Yugoslav:
Pretty propblades. He's going to Ottobrunn, Germany (the other aircraft in the distance there is off to Kastrup, another European airport that we & the Carters have visited in 1959). And a further French cargo-carrier (you may remember finding some of these guys acting suspicious in SE Asia when we passed through that time with the Comet 4 in Speedbird Round the World):
Our friend from Beirut:
DC-6s? Collect the set! Now for an Alitalia one:
And here's something German arriving from Dusseldorf (Bockholt's birthplace), though not a Douglas this time:
Nice just to add a Caravelle in action, off to Barcelona:
Think I'll save the delights of Orly for a future date.
Here's Vincent with the Eiffel Tower visible in the background. I guess the real Van Gough must have seen it, but he never painted such a cliche.
Hi,
Actually, most of those shots were taken at Orly.
Note the LFPO designations on the AI aircraft labels.
At Le Bourget in 1959:
Aeroflot
UAT
AirNautic (flying for UAT)
Austrian
BEA
Cambrian
Channel Airways
Cyprus
Finnair
Iberia
KLM
Lebanese International
SABENA
SAS
Seaboard and Western
Aer Lingus
Trans Sweden
TREK
All the rest were taken at Orly.
Hope this helps,
Actually, most of those shots were taken at Orly.
Note the LFPO designations on the AI aircraft labels.
At Le Bourget in 1959:
Aeroflot
UAT
AirNautic (flying for UAT)
Austrian
BEA
Cambrian
Channel Airways
Cyprus
Finnair
Iberia
KLM
Lebanese International
SABENA
SAS
Seaboard and Western
Aer Lingus
Trans Sweden
TREK
All the rest were taken at Orly.
Hope this helps,
Ralf Roggeveen
Charter Member
Hi,
Actually, most of those shots were taken at Orly.
Hope this helps,
Stupid French, putting those airports so confusingly close - but at least I managed to LAND at the right one!
Coming up: final return of the Carters to Schiphol with New Improved Valkenburg to be seen...
Ralf Roggeveen
Charter Member
Of course the old heliport codes are not in the Seldec book, nor those of any closed airports, as it's current to publication date of 2006.
A slightly different route for the journey back to Amsterdam:
Ah, they go a different way back so they don't crash into the ones coming; very clever. And we find Vincent in an interesting multinational mixed line-up:
As there was a big empty space in that shot, German speakers can find out what that soldier's wife got from France (we'll see what he brought her from Holland later). Decided to travel at dusk and watch evening fall. By the time we reach Schiphol it'll be dark:
We move off:
And we're away from Le Bourget which was quite quiet at that time. (Don't worry, I'll go back with TT Explorer and take a look round once we're safely on our way.):
Climbing away with a view of the airport & skyscrapers of Paris in the background:
There's that power station again:
This map shows our exit until we reached cruise altitude, a very low 9000 ft:
And the sky begins to turn that attractive purple shade...
This was flown between about reality 19.20 and 20.20 here in England which is currently on British Summer Time (BST: GMT +1). But the clock on the 2-D screen showed GMT +2, so it was after 8 o'clock in the evening in France when we left. BST is a single Time Zone which covers the whole of Britain, right up to the Shetland islands, so there can be a 2 hour difference from neighbouring continental countries. It's known as 'Daylight Saving' and was successfully introduced in WW2 and kept ever since: clocks go forward one Saturday night in the spring, back one ditto in the fall. In midsummer it's still light until as late as 10 o'clock at night in England.
A slightly different route for the journey back to Amsterdam:
Ah, they go a different way back so they don't crash into the ones coming; very clever. And we find Vincent in an interesting multinational mixed line-up:
As there was a big empty space in that shot, German speakers can find out what that soldier's wife got from France (we'll see what he brought her from Holland later). Decided to travel at dusk and watch evening fall. By the time we reach Schiphol it'll be dark:
We move off:
And we're away from Le Bourget which was quite quiet at that time. (Don't worry, I'll go back with TT Explorer and take a look round once we're safely on our way.):
Climbing away with a view of the airport & skyscrapers of Paris in the background:
There's that power station again:
This map shows our exit until we reached cruise altitude, a very low 9000 ft:
And the sky begins to turn that attractive purple shade...
This was flown between about reality 19.20 and 20.20 here in England which is currently on British Summer Time (BST: GMT +1). But the clock on the 2-D screen showed GMT +2, so it was after 8 o'clock in the evening in France when we left. BST is a single Time Zone which covers the whole of Britain, right up to the Shetland islands, so there can be a 2 hour difference from neighbouring continental countries. It's known as 'Daylight Saving' and was successfully introduced in WW2 and kept ever since: clocks go forward one Saturday night in the spring, back one ditto in the fall. In midsummer it's still light until as late as 10 o'clock at night in England.
Ralf Roggeveen
Charter Member
Now that we're at the correct height and pointing in the right direction, let's take a look around, including back at Le Bourget. Here's the Aigle Azur Boeing 307 Stratoliner we were next to at the Gate:
That could have been 20 years old by 1960. Air Inter Viscount, possible the very plane missed by Baby Ralf and his mother, brother & sister in '64!
Air Links Britannia:
Air Sinks! And a KLM Viscount doing the Amsterdam to Paris run:
Here's an Austrian one coming in from Stuttgart:
Dutch CV-440 doing Barcelona to Brussels:
Then there was this MEA Viscount who's going from Ciampino to Heathrow; no doubt he started with Beirut to Athens:
This was a small airstrip near Cambrai:
the slightly larger Cambrai Airport which we overflew in the picture below. Cambrai is most famous as the place where the British first used tanks on a large scale in the battle of November 20 1917, the shape of warfare to come.
Those classic British car-carriers were busy hopping back and forth across the English Channel. Here's the Silver City Bristol Freighter doing a return from LFAC Calais Dunkerque to EGMD Lydd Ferryfield:
This service ran from 1954 to 1970, although tragically my parents always used the boring Cross Channel ship ferries (which triumphed - and have now also seen off the hovercraft). There are current plans to revive Lydd, but they may be thinking of a high-speed business helicopter link with the European mainland.
That could have been 20 years old by 1960. Air Inter Viscount, possible the very plane missed by Baby Ralf and his mother, brother & sister in '64!
Air Links Britannia:
Air Sinks! And a KLM Viscount doing the Amsterdam to Paris run:
Here's an Austrian one coming in from Stuttgart:
Dutch CV-440 doing Barcelona to Brussels:
Then there was this MEA Viscount who's going from Ciampino to Heathrow; no doubt he started with Beirut to Athens:
This was a small airstrip near Cambrai:
the slightly larger Cambrai Airport which we overflew in the picture below. Cambrai is most famous as the place where the British first used tanks on a large scale in the battle of November 20 1917, the shape of warfare to come.
Those classic British car-carriers were busy hopping back and forth across the English Channel. Here's the Silver City Bristol Freighter doing a return from LFAC Calais Dunkerque to EGMD Lydd Ferryfield:
This service ran from 1954 to 1970, although tragically my parents always used the boring Cross Channel ship ferries (which triumphed - and have now also seen off the hovercraft). There are current plans to revive Lydd, but they may be thinking of a high-speed business helicopter link with the European mainland.
Ralf Roggeveen
Charter Member
A couple of East Europeans down there; a Hungarian:
And next to him, a Romanian:
Both Il-14s of course. This Swiss is definitely a capitalist, however:
Pleasant spot in Rotterdam where lots of British cargo-carriers hang out:
And here's one of them at work, coming into Rotterdam from EGMC Southend, quite an important 'London airport' during the '60s:
German Convair going back from Orly to Dusseldorf:
Now for today's exciting bit: the correct Valkenburg 1963. Its creator, Harry Biard, kindly got in touch when he noticed that I had the later scenery (you may remember that the vehicles, including an ambulance, were too modern):
If you install Valkenburg '63 and the superb AI Neptunes, remember to deactivate the Valkenburg AFCAD (AF2_EHVB.bgl.) in your EHAM scenery. This can easily be done just by adding .bak to the end of that file name once you've located it.
Also, make sure that EHVB is above EHAM in your Addon Scenery, then you'll get this accurate early '60s Dutch Naval Air Station with those Lockheeds going to the right places!
Many thanks to Harry & Tom for their help with this. Here's a closer look:
We were just in time to take a look round as daylight faded...
And next to him, a Romanian:
Both Il-14s of course. This Swiss is definitely a capitalist, however:
Pleasant spot in Rotterdam where lots of British cargo-carriers hang out:
And here's one of them at work, coming into Rotterdam from EGMC Southend, quite an important 'London airport' during the '60s:
German Convair going back from Orly to Dusseldorf:
Now for today's exciting bit: the correct Valkenburg 1963. Its creator, Harry Biard, kindly got in touch when he noticed that I had the later scenery (you may remember that the vehicles, including an ambulance, were too modern):
If you install Valkenburg '63 and the superb AI Neptunes, remember to deactivate the Valkenburg AFCAD (AF2_EHVB.bgl.) in your EHAM scenery. This can easily be done just by adding .bak to the end of that file name once you've located it.
Also, make sure that EHVB is above EHAM in your Addon Scenery, then you'll get this accurate early '60s Dutch Naval Air Station with those Lockheeds going to the right places!
Many thanks to Harry & Tom for their help with this. Here's a closer look:
We were just in time to take a look round as daylight faded...
Ralf Roggeveen
Charter Member
View of part of Rotterdam harbour with a low-flying Cub:
Swedish C-46 coming into Schiphol from Bromma:
Ever-fascinating Israeli Britannia arriving at Brussels from Athens:
The other aircraft below is going from Eindhoven (EHEH) to Toussus le Noble, France (LFPN):
A pretty seascape:
The patrolling Navy Neptune returning from Eelde over the bright lights of Rotterdam:
Here's the way they sent us round to the now familiar RW 22:
And there's Schiphol ahead:
Safely down again...
...and taxying to our parking space:
Tom will say I could have put better lights on there, but visibility was OK and our little purple line friends are always useful.
Swedish C-46 coming into Schiphol from Bromma:
Ever-fascinating Israeli Britannia arriving at Brussels from Athens:
The other aircraft below is going from Eindhoven (EHEH) to Toussus le Noble, France (LFPN):
A pretty seascape:
The patrolling Navy Neptune returning from Eelde over the bright lights of Rotterdam:
Here's the way they sent us round to the now familiar RW 22:
And there's Schiphol ahead:
Safely down again...
...and taxying to our parking space:
Tom will say I could have put better lights on there, but visibility was OK and our little purple line friends are always useful.
Ralf Roggeveen
Charter Member
Forgot to show this picture labelled Sight-seeing in colorful Paris which appears, in not so colourful black-&-white, in Mrs Carter's book It Happened to Us:
Gosh, they've turned stylish after a few days in Europe! I thought. Then realised it's actually a KLM publicity shot and the elegant people are probably French (not American or Dutch). Here's a more realistic picture of the Carters, Glenmore and Sarah Elizabeth, with their travelling companions, Thelma and little Tommy:
Either the latter two were very rich, or the Seventh Day Adventist Church paid for them to go along; the book doesn't really explain (unless KLM were VERY generous). That picture was taken at Jacob's Well, back in the Bible Lands. Mrs C is drinking some holy water. (Funny if it suddenly turned into wine).
Enough of the Carters' home movies! We're back at Schiphol in 1959:
We got a parking space up at the north end, quite close to the terminal building:
Thought I'd take another quick look over at Valkenburg:
KLM Connie coming in from EDDW Bremen, Germany:
And a Martin's DC-3 returning from EGJB, Guernsey in the Channel Islands:
DC-7 from Ottobrunn, Germany:
The Seldec book says 'Ottobrunn Hel', can't be heliport which is H/P; anyone got an explanation? Our old Russian comrade (sort of):
And a nice pair of KLM Dakotas with a Viscount and a Convair 440 (? I think) in the background:
Gosh, they've turned stylish after a few days in Europe! I thought. Then realised it's actually a KLM publicity shot and the elegant people are probably French (not American or Dutch). Here's a more realistic picture of the Carters, Glenmore and Sarah Elizabeth, with their travelling companions, Thelma and little Tommy:
Either the latter two were very rich, or the Seventh Day Adventist Church paid for them to go along; the book doesn't really explain (unless KLM were VERY generous). That picture was taken at Jacob's Well, back in the Bible Lands. Mrs C is drinking some holy water. (Funny if it suddenly turned into wine).
Enough of the Carters' home movies! We're back at Schiphol in 1959:
We got a parking space up at the north end, quite close to the terminal building:
Thought I'd take another quick look over at Valkenburg:
KLM Connie coming in from EDDW Bremen, Germany:
And a Martin's DC-3 returning from EGJB, Guernsey in the Channel Islands:
DC-7 from Ottobrunn, Germany:
The Seldec book says 'Ottobrunn Hel', can't be heliport which is H/P; anyone got an explanation? Our old Russian comrade (sort of):
And a nice pair of KLM Dakotas with a Viscount and a Convair 440 (? I think) in the background:
Ralf Roggeveen
Charter Member
By now that C-46 from Bromma was getting close, so thought I'd follow him down:
In my 1973 book Transair are described as a charter airline operating out of Bulltofta Airport, Malmo, Routes: as required by charter operations:
It was mildly amusing to see an AI (and therefore the computer) do a fairly bad landing with a distinct bounce to it! A hairy moment for the crew, but no passengers of course, only cargo.
But he managed to come back down again and taxy off to parking OK. Just then there was a lot coming in right behind him:
They're arriving from Zurich, Bremen and Warsaw (Okecie); all KLM aircraft, but three different types:
The Tower will be busy. The Convair lands safely:
But the Connie had to perform a go-around:
Having landed with a bounce, the Swede also parked rather poorly:
And I was surprised he went in this particular space, having only ever seen Dutch planes in that corner before. You can see me at the end of the row beyond, next to that Hungarian.
In my 1973 book Transair are described as a charter airline operating out of Bulltofta Airport, Malmo, Routes: as required by charter operations:
It was mildly amusing to see an AI (and therefore the computer) do a fairly bad landing with a distinct bounce to it! A hairy moment for the crew, but no passengers of course, only cargo.
But he managed to come back down again and taxy off to parking OK. Just then there was a lot coming in right behind him:
They're arriving from Zurich, Bremen and Warsaw (Okecie); all KLM aircraft, but three different types:
The Tower will be busy. The Convair lands safely:
But the Connie had to perform a go-around:
Having landed with a bounce, the Swede also parked rather poorly:
And I was surprised he went in this particular space, having only ever seen Dutch planes in that corner before. You can see me at the end of the row beyond, next to that Hungarian.
Hi Ralf,
Great pictures, as usual.
The Air Links aircraft is a Hermes instead of a Britannia - I don't think they had any, as I remember.
And EDMR is the old Munich Reim airport, later replaced by Franz Joseph Strass in 1992. I guess a heliport commandeered the code we used for it. :mix-smi:
Thanks,
Tom
Great pictures, as usual.
The Air Links aircraft is a Hermes instead of a Britannia - I don't think they had any, as I remember.
And EDMR is the old Munich Reim airport, later replaced by Franz Joseph Strass in 1992. I guess a heliport commandeered the code we used for it. :mix-smi:
Thanks,
Tom
Ralf Roggeveen
Charter Member
The Seldec book abbreviations says H/P will be used for 'Heliport', but he has put HEL in that case. It's not 100% perfect, so that is a possible oversight, but otherwise Airport & City Codes remains extremely useful. Could get more info on the aircraft out of TT Explorer too, but I try to be quick about using it for obvious reasons!
Spotted another Scandinavian coming in from Kastrup:
An overview of our end of Schiphol:
Here are the export F-27s waiting at the other (Fokker factory) end: with a good view of the new terminal under construction:
What differing careers will those two sisters have; the one in Japan, the other in Angola... Here's a KLM Convair coming in from Schwechat (a Frankfurt arrival beyond):
Another look at one of the British Carvairs resting in Rotterdam:
And a Carvair in flight (Southend - Rotterdam):
Some final shots of Schiphol as night falls; the military:
Just in case anybody was wondering what that Soldier's Wife got from Holland:
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Spotted another Scandinavian coming in from Kastrup:
An overview of our end of Schiphol:
Here are the export F-27s waiting at the other (Fokker factory) end: with a good view of the new terminal under construction:
What differing careers will those two sisters have; the one in Japan, the other in Angola... Here's a KLM Convair coming in from Schwechat (a Frankfurt arrival beyond):
Another look at one of the British Carvairs resting in Rotterdam:
And a Carvair in flight (Southend - Rotterdam):
Some final shots of Schiphol as night falls; the military:
Just in case anybody was wondering what that Soldier's Wife got from Holland:
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Ralf Roggeveen
Charter Member
So the time has finally come (much to my wife's relief) to take the Carters back home to Houston. As you probably know, it's a major glitch of fs9 that you can't arrange IFR across the Atlantic (a bit of a basic flight, one would have thought), but always have to manage all your own navigation. You'll also recall that KLM reached Houston via Montreal in those days:
It seems to simply select the most direct Great Circle route.
So we will head across the North Sea, hit the English coast at the Humber Estuary, cross the thinnest part of England, the Isle of Man and Northern Ireland, over the Atlantic to Labrador, then straight down the St Lawrence and into Montreal.
Back in the beautiful Seven Seas of course:
We're just about to move off in this nice Tower shot:
Followed that Connie, Flight 345...
...a bit of a wait:
He's off to Malpensa. View from the VC:
A bit of a build-up behind:
It's the latest Fokker factory productions going out for their test circuits (the Lockheed was built there under licence of course). Lined up on good old Runway Two Two:
A lot of lovely retro AI in that particular picture...and it's bye bye Europe for Glenmore, Sarah Elizabeth, Thelma and young Tommy:
What an adventure it's been!
It seems to simply select the most direct Great Circle route.
So we will head across the North Sea, hit the English coast at the Humber Estuary, cross the thinnest part of England, the Isle of Man and Northern Ireland, over the Atlantic to Labrador, then straight down the St Lawrence and into Montreal.
Back in the beautiful Seven Seas of course:
We're just about to move off in this nice Tower shot:
Followed that Connie, Flight 345...
...a bit of a wait:
He's off to Malpensa. View from the VC:
A bit of a build-up behind:
It's the latest Fokker factory productions going out for their test circuits (the Lockheed was built there under licence of course). Lined up on good old Runway Two Two:
A lot of lovely retro AI in that particular picture...and it's bye bye Europe for Glenmore, Sarah Elizabeth, Thelma and young Tommy:
What an adventure it's been!
Ralf Roggeveen
Charter Member
Climbing without difficulty to just 9000 ft:
Farewell to the flat coast of Holland:
The 2-D screen over the North Sea, everything in order:
Here's the map that shows our transit of Britain:
There's East Anglia (which is so similar to Holland) on our left:
A large inlet called the Wash. This coast has huge sandy beaches with weird tides that can come in very quickly and catch people unawares. In the 13th Century King John tried to take a short cut and his whole mule-train was drowned there. That might have been forgotten, except that the Crown Jewels were lost in it...
...the British Royal Family seems to have acquired some new bling since, however. There's the Mouth of the Humber ahead:
We fly up the estuary. Spurn Head sticking out on the right:
Uh-oh! Something's not quite right here...
#3 Engine fails:
The Not-so-Flying Dutchman...
Farewell to the flat coast of Holland:
The 2-D screen over the North Sea, everything in order:
Here's the map that shows our transit of Britain:
There's East Anglia (which is so similar to Holland) on our left:
A large inlet called the Wash. This coast has huge sandy beaches with weird tides that can come in very quickly and catch people unawares. In the 13th Century King John tried to take a short cut and his whole mule-train was drowned there. That might have been forgotten, except that the Crown Jewels were lost in it...
...the British Royal Family seems to have acquired some new bling since, however. There's the Mouth of the Humber ahead:
We fly up the estuary. Spurn Head sticking out on the right:
Uh-oh! Something's not quite right here...
#3 Engine fails:
The Not-so-Flying Dutchman...
Ralf Roggeveen
Charter Member
Well, this is a simulation of something that really did happen to the DC-7C Irish Sea in late '59. Here's Sarah Carter's description:
We were out about an hour and a half, just over Bristol, England, when the steward came down the aisle informing us that we were on our way back to Schiphol. One engine had gone out. The crew dropped fifteen thousand gallons of gasoline into the North Sea so we could land more easily.
I was sitting next to the window. The water seemed a long way down below and it was cold too. Many a thought goes through your mind in a moment like that. But I knew there was a power to hold us up until we could land safely. So I offered a silent prayer in mid-air. (pps. 172-3)
It's interesting that they were over Bristol because that was the route, via Ireland, that we flew in by. I've simulated the problem over Hull on the Humber, rather than Bristol at the mouth of the Severn. It is also interesting that they felt able to return to Holland, rather than making an emergency landing in England where there were obviously plenty of airports that could have handled it (three hours later and it would definitely have been Gander that they'd have made for!). If you look at the KIAS on these pictures, you'll see that power loss was quite substantial, around 30 knots.
I wonder if he really dumped the fuel in the North Sea? Over Bristol the Irish Sea airplane was, ironically, much closer to the actual Irish Sea. But she's probably right that they only dropped it later, after the turnaround, to make the landing safer.
We might as well take a quick look round a British airport that came within range of TT before going back to Schiphol. This is Cambridge:
A DC-3 from Derby Airways, now part of British Midland, with a Cessna off to Barcelona in the background. Here's one of those unmarked (MercAir?) ones sneaking from Glasgow, Scotland to Saint Catherine, France, whisky being the obvious contraband cargo:
And a Scandinavian Convair going from Heathrow home to Sola, Norway:
A Cessna 170A:
He's flying from Waterford, Ireland to De Kooy, Netherlands. You can see that he was quite close below us over the North Sea (though we did not dump 15,000 gallons of fuel onto him):
Coast of Holland ahead. We come back into range of the Neptunes at Valkenburg:
One going on the patrol round, the other off to Eelde.
This is a chance to take a better look at the correct 1963 Valkenburg scenery and - even more exciting - an improved EHAM '63 (is it possible?) which Harry has sent me! The Carters' misfortune shall prove to the benefit of 21st Century flightsimmers.
We were out about an hour and a half, just over Bristol, England, when the steward came down the aisle informing us that we were on our way back to Schiphol. One engine had gone out. The crew dropped fifteen thousand gallons of gasoline into the North Sea so we could land more easily.
I was sitting next to the window. The water seemed a long way down below and it was cold too. Many a thought goes through your mind in a moment like that. But I knew there was a power to hold us up until we could land safely. So I offered a silent prayer in mid-air. (pps. 172-3)
It's interesting that they were over Bristol because that was the route, via Ireland, that we flew in by. I've simulated the problem over Hull on the Humber, rather than Bristol at the mouth of the Severn. It is also interesting that they felt able to return to Holland, rather than making an emergency landing in England where there were obviously plenty of airports that could have handled it (three hours later and it would definitely have been Gander that they'd have made for!). If you look at the KIAS on these pictures, you'll see that power loss was quite substantial, around 30 knots.
I wonder if he really dumped the fuel in the North Sea? Over Bristol the Irish Sea airplane was, ironically, much closer to the actual Irish Sea. But she's probably right that they only dropped it later, after the turnaround, to make the landing safer.
We might as well take a quick look round a British airport that came within range of TT before going back to Schiphol. This is Cambridge:
A DC-3 from Derby Airways, now part of British Midland, with a Cessna off to Barcelona in the background. Here's one of those unmarked (MercAir?) ones sneaking from Glasgow, Scotland to Saint Catherine, France, whisky being the obvious contraband cargo:
And a Scandinavian Convair going from Heathrow home to Sola, Norway:
A Cessna 170A:
He's flying from Waterford, Ireland to De Kooy, Netherlands. You can see that he was quite close below us over the North Sea (though we did not dump 15,000 gallons of fuel onto him):
Coast of Holland ahead. We come back into range of the Neptunes at Valkenburg:
One going on the patrol round, the other off to Eelde.
This is a chance to take a better look at the correct 1963 Valkenburg scenery and - even more exciting - an improved EHAM '63 (is it possible?) which Harry has sent me! The Carters' misfortune shall prove to the benefit of 21st Century flightsimmers.
Sunny9850
SOH-CM-2024
Emergency divert is up to the crew and company policy to some extent. The R3350 were known of course to be a bit bothersome at times. So most likely the crew had first hand experience in flying on 3.
The Connies used that engine family (earlier than Douglas) as well of course and were somewhat deridingly known as the best three engined Propliner of her era
In more recent times a British Airways 747-400 had to shut down the #2 engine shortly after departing LAX for Heathrow....and they continued on with as a Tri-Motor
As usual a great narrative and excellent pictures.
Stefan
The Connies used that engine family (earlier than Douglas) as well of course and were somewhat deridingly known as the best three engined Propliner of her era
In more recent times a British Airways 747-400 had to shut down the #2 engine shortly after departing LAX for Heathrow....and they continued on with as a Tri-Motor
As usual a great narrative and excellent pictures.
Stefan