Ralf Roggeveen
Charter Member
In fact the Carters were driven across the iron curtain: "The only way to get to the Russian side was by the Lufthansa taxi and that we got" says Mrs C. (somewhat ungrammatically). This is interesting from an aviation point-of-view, because it suggests that, at least until the Wall went up, you could fairly easily access the one airport, Schönefeld, that Lufthansa were allowed to use in Berlin. Yet Lufthansa had itself been split into Western and Eastern elements, run and equipped quite separately. In 1963 this was to lead to a court case, held in neutral Switzerland, as to who had the legal right to be called Lufthansa; there couldn't logically be two of them. The West won, and the eastern Lufthansa had to be renamed Interflug (Obviously they were reunited properly after 1989 when the whole of Germany became a single state once more).
Guess who supplied the eastern Lufthansa/Interflug with aircraft?
Yes, it's an Ilyushin Il-18V. Note that although it still says Deutsche Lufthansa and has the Lufthansa logo, it also has the East German (DDR) flag...

...and a DM registration. Oh yes, and it's as Russian as a regiment of Cossacks. And so is the fs9 download, which isn't bad (actually the earlier 18D), and can, with a bit of work on the Cfg. file, be repainted East German.
But even better than that is Mike Stevens' Schönefeld, which we only saw from above before. Fans of Soviet hardware will be drooling at the sight of...
...Antonov AN-2s! In fact, this turned out to be quite a good day for them. As it is such an interesting airplane, and I have seen a real one (a few years ago at Goodwood), here it is:
That car is something like a ZIL (Ferry will probably know). Some other mouthwatering aircraft in the background - and a nice (Italian) scooter!
Here we are approaching the main terminal buildings, Il-14s parked on the right. You might like to see the Russian 2-D screen:
And there's the Commie crowd waiting for their airplane. Can you see the policemen with (East) German Shepherds? Some of the women were stunning, but many smart people there must have been visiting capitalists from the West.
That Soviet Il-14 seems to have been given preferential parking (not surprising really).
The Carters got to the Lufthansa bus stop, BUT there was one little thing that upset us. When the taxi driver got us there we found that one piece of our luggage had been left at the hotel, and it would be the bag that had all our wearing clothes. We had only about fifteen minutes to wait for the transportation to the Russian airport. it didn't take long to get right sick in the pit of our stomachs with such news being real.
[She was from Georgia, which shows in her English there; but we've all had similar travel disasters and can easily empathise...]
To our surprise, the good hotel man at the Plaza had found the suitbag and had sent another taxi with it. The sight of that piece of luggage cured all ills momentarily. Glenmore gladly paid the driver, but that never commenced to pay our gratitude to the good hotel manager that had been so kind to us by seeing that the bag reached us.
Good old Germans!
Guess who supplied the eastern Lufthansa/Interflug with aircraft?
Yes, it's an Ilyushin Il-18V. Note that although it still says Deutsche Lufthansa and has the Lufthansa logo, it also has the East German (DDR) flag...
...and a DM registration. Oh yes, and it's as Russian as a regiment of Cossacks. And so is the fs9 download, which isn't bad (actually the earlier 18D), and can, with a bit of work on the Cfg. file, be repainted East German.
But even better than that is Mike Stevens' Schönefeld, which we only saw from above before. Fans of Soviet hardware will be drooling at the sight of...
...Antonov AN-2s! In fact, this turned out to be quite a good day for them. As it is such an interesting airplane, and I have seen a real one (a few years ago at Goodwood), here it is:
That car is something like a ZIL (Ferry will probably know). Some other mouthwatering aircraft in the background - and a nice (Italian) scooter!
Here we are approaching the main terminal buildings, Il-14s parked on the right. You might like to see the Russian 2-D screen:
And there's the Commie crowd waiting for their airplane. Can you see the policemen with (East) German Shepherds? Some of the women were stunning, but many smart people there must have been visiting capitalists from the West.
That Soviet Il-14 seems to have been given preferential parking (not surprising really).
The Carters got to the Lufthansa bus stop, BUT there was one little thing that upset us. When the taxi driver got us there we found that one piece of our luggage had been left at the hotel, and it would be the bag that had all our wearing clothes. We had only about fifteen minutes to wait for the transportation to the Russian airport. it didn't take long to get right sick in the pit of our stomachs with such news being real.
[She was from Georgia, which shows in her English there; but we've all had similar travel disasters and can easily empathise...]
To our surprise, the good hotel man at the Plaza had found the suitbag and had sent another taxi with it. The sight of that piece of luggage cured all ills momentarily. Glenmore gladly paid the driver, but that never commenced to pay our gratitude to the good hotel manager that had been so kind to us by seeing that the bag reached us.
Good old Germans!
at that particular moment:
Slovakia:
Austria:
Hungary. A small airstrip is visible below there. Some strange battles took place over this in WW2 (and in Il-2!) where American Mustangs coming from the West met Soviet Lavotchkins coming from the East and a lot of German Focke-Wulfs ended up... well, at the bottom of the lake. In 1959 the Hungarians were firmly in the Soviet camp, having had their visit from
Serbia, when it becomes the Dunav (or the Donau if you want to speak German). Of course in 1959 nobody went to Serbia and the Danube/Duna/Dunav/Donau wasn't busy defining the national border between Serbia and
Croatia. Five modern countries made up
Macedonia. I believe it is OK to recognise this as a nation state now, though for a long time, including in my 2005 atlas, it had to be referred to as Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia (or F.Y.R.O.M. for short!). Part of the problem is that three provinces of northern Greece are called Western, Central and Eastern Macedonia so many Greeks think that the former Yugoslav bit should now be part of Greece. At this point it is worth bearing in mind that a bit of France is called Brittany, but the French don't use this as an excuse to claim the rest of Britain). Anyway, let's just fly over them.
Greece (actually the province of Kentriki Makedonia/Central Macedonia).


The Lebanon. Readers of earlier Roggeveen ramblings will know that we have been here before and that the Gersch/Gibson version is another spotters' paradise - now with added Traffic Tools!