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It's like an episode of Ashes to Ashes in London ......

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And it took only 3 days for your PM to realise he better make some sort of leadership appearance and abandon his vacation. The London mayor remains in the USA on vacation, and the Met police have no leadership, the Commisioner and his deputy having resigned in the wake of the NOTW scandal. What is wrong with this picture?
I'm so glad I left.....
 
QUOTE=Piglet;And the UK has gun control laws that U.S. Leftists can only dream of......Hmmm...QUOTE

QUOTE=Naismith;And it took only 3 days for your PM to realise he better make some sort of leadership appearance and abandon his vacation. The London mayor remains in the USA on vacation, and the Met police have no leadership, the Commisioner and his deputy having resigned in the wake of the NOTW scandal. What is wrong with this picture?I'm so glad I left.....QUOTE

It would be best for all concerned if the political input be kept at a sensible level.
Comparisons are odious, and try to place your comments in context.
The 'Police shooting victim' was (supposedly) a 'pharmaceutical supplies' merchant.
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With respect I think we're looking at quite a serious problem here. We have a cadre of youths who have been delinquents for as long as they have been adolescents, thanks to appalling (or non-existent) parenting and a complete lack of drive or aspiration, which has itself been fuelled by a complete con of a schooling system that is only interested in inflating results, not actually educating people academically, let alone teaching them about responsibilities.

And now that delinquent cadre has just worked out that instead of hanging around in groups of six or seven to steal phones, bikes, etc., they can actually use social media to do it in groups of two hundred and get what they like. It's the same problem we've been ignoring for years, it just suddenly got bigger.

If that's right, the problem is serious because it is generational. Afraid to say that heavy-handed policing is probably needed in the short term to spoil the party, followed by some serious stints of community service with an extensive social rehabilitation element.
 
bennyfsx said:
With respect I think we're looking at quite a serious problem here. We have a cadre of youths who have been delinquents for as long as they have been adolescents, thanks to appalling (or non-existent) parenting and a complete lack of drive or aspiration, which has itself been fuelled by a complete con of a schooling system that is only interested in inflating results, not actually educating people academically, let alone teaching them about responsibilities.

And now that delinquent cadre has just worked out that instead of hanging around in groups of six or seven to steal phones, bikes, etc., they can actually use social media to do it in groups of two hundred and get what they like. It's the same problem we've been ignoring for years, it just suddenly got bigger.

If that's right, the problem is serious because it is generational. Afraid to say that heavy-handed policing is probably needed in the short term to spoil the party, followed by some serious stints of community service with an extensive social rehabilitation element.
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Well said Benny. Personally I don't think prison is the answer, it will just harden & institutionalise them further; community service however, clearing up the mess they have made, seems appropriate - publicly losing face in front of their mates will be sooo much more satisfying.
 
AndyG43 said:
Well said Benny. Personally I don't think prison is the answer,.
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Prison in the UK is a joke, inmates have TV, Radio, SKY Tv, Playstations, XBox', games... DVD's......... it's meant to teach a lesson, not be a sodding holiday camp. not even i have a PS3, Xbox360 or TV currently... they've got it easy. i'm all for heavy handed policing. what Benny said couldn't have said it better, news this morning says Rogue elements have started heading further afield, Nottingham and even Liverpool now getting some scuffles... my verdict: stop the nanny state and health and safety B/S, crack out the rubber bullets, riot vans and other hard contact kit and get to work.... :a1451:

they say it's about class? did half these kids even go to class to learn about class structure in society in modern day Britain? youth in Britain expects respect as a right not a privilege, i was always brought up, as were we all no doubt that respect is earned not given.... honestly, modern youth and their "i want it all, and i want it now" mentality, if you have it and they want it, they'll try taking it...

i'm gonna shut up before i get myself in trouble.....:kilroy::monkies:
 
Sadly, it seems to be a sign of the times. What, something happened? RIOT. What, we lose a sports match, RIOT. What, we lose the Stanley Cup (Canadian Hockey), RIOT. Any excuse these days......
 
The infuriating thing is that our police have their hands tied behind their back. Thanks to a certain ex-Government that took office in May '97, we now have to think more of the rioters human rights than we do bringing an end to the lawlessness.

The police are damned if they do and damned if they don't. If they unleash the land-sharks and crack a few skulls they're called 'thugs in uniform', if they stand by and try to contain the situation without steaming in then they're called 'soft and ineffectual'. They just can't win!

Although tonight may be different, I think they'll be in for quite a shock if they try rioting again tonight.
 
Mods, can I request that this thread be closed please? I started it because I thought we might be able to have a reasoned conversation, but it has degenerated into the usual political point scoring - rather than respond to some of the comments maybe it is best to draw a line under it all?

I should have known better. Sorry. :kilroy:
 
AndyG43 said:
Mods, can I request that this thread be closed please? I started it because I thought we might be able to have a reasoned conversation, but it has degenerated into the usual political point scoring - rather than respond to some of the comments maybe it is best to draw a line under it all?

I should have known better. Sorry. :kilroy:
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Political point scoring? They're all at it. There's no difference between the major parties in this country. One picked up where the other left off. The policies instituted by both parties have led to this as they did in the 80's and will again in the future. No lessons will be learned
 
AndyG43 said:
Well said Benny. Personally I don't think prison is the answer, it will just harden & institutionalise them further; community service however, clearing up the mess they have made, seems appropriate - publicly losing face in front of their mates will be sooo much more satisfying.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErftICZdJkI

Even after having seen these images I think you are right, both of you. Prison (or worse) does not solve the problem. To me, confronting them with what they have done with other peoples lifes and their own lifes seems the only way to turn those who are wrecking their commuties into a positive attitude.

Things have gone terribly wrong and I'm afraid the generation that I belong to (many like me very idealistic in our younger years) has a lot to think of. Where did we go wrong teaching our children?!? :/

Cheers,
Maarten
 
AndyG43 said:
Mods, can I request that this thread be closed please? I started it because I thought we might be able to have a reasoned conversation, but it has degenerated into the usual political point scoring - rather than respond to some of the comments maybe it is best to draw a line under it all?

I should have known better. Sorry. :kilroy:
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Hi Andy,
I think you're right. All of us in England (hasn't touched Scotland or Wales yet - let's hope it doesn't!) will have thoughts on this issue and I bet most of them don't belong in a flightsim forum!
 
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