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WIP: a slight release delay

HI everybody! :wavey:

I decided to provide an alternative solid blue background attitude gauge, with related panel.cfg changes, nevertheless. It's already included in the pack.

I'll be uploading the whole pack within a day or two because I forgot to include Bearcat241's alternative dp, both for a "what if" Veltro series III and for a real "hybrid" M.C.205, utilised by the Royal Egyptian AF during the first Arab-Israeli confrontation in 1948.
I read that some M.C.205's were used in ground support ops and I want to modify the dp of the hybrid models accordingly, since there's a REAF skin in the original MVG3d pack.

Cheers!
KH/Stef
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Hello Stefano!

I downloaded the MC-205 and flew around in it a bit last week. You did a great job with this airplane, wow!
It really looks nice and flies great!
I also read the panel handbook. It is very well written and easy to understand.

Before I got involved with CFS2 I hardly knew anything about Italian aircraft, and very little about Italy's involvement in WW2, even though I have been interested in the topic for a long time, and Austria isn't that far from Italy. Now, thanks to the sim and people like you, I know which airplanes Italian companies produced, and I have all that are available in my CFS2 and fs9 hangars.

It is still quite difficult to find information about Italy's war in English or German. I do have a few books, but they deal mostly with British or German campaigns, and Italy is only mentioned on the side. I always wanted to make some Italian campaign for CFS2, but I need to know more to be able to do it.
Can you recommend some books or internet sites on the topic? For instance, I would be very interested in Mr Gorrini's biography that you mentioned earlier, but it would have to be in English..

I know this is not the topic of this thread, you can also send me a PM.

Thank you for this nice airplane!

Wolfgang
 
More work accomplished

Kelti,
Would you like the Italian bombs and torpedo pack?

Amazing! :adoration:

I just logged in with the intent to ask you if I could have included in the Veltro full pack the Italian weps pack you included in MVG3d/Mario Mission's Cant Z506 pack.....synchronicity!

May I do it or would you prefer a link in the readme, which advertises the Cant Z506 download?

Last night I did some more homework in the documents sent to me by Manuele Villa, I found a clear picture of a M.C. 202 with wing pylons and droptanks.
It's the very same picture posted by Bearcat241 above, I guess it's the only one around. The aircraft roundels were those of the post 09/08/1943 armistice co-belligerant period, when Regia Aeronautica returned to the official Italian red-white-green roundels of WWI, still in use nowadays.

Thus, I took the decision of making dp's with wing pylons, droptanks and 100 kg bombs for all of the models with co-belligerant skins (one Early Production and an H1 "hybrid) plus the H2 model with Royal Egyptian AF.
The mentioned picture shows very small droptanks, I imagine they are about 200 litres (roughly 52 US gals., the standard P-40 droptank) each. The only well-designed droptank that I could find of such small diametre is the Thicko's Hurricane droptank set, modified by Bearcat241 and included in 2008 RobH's AH Hurricane MkIIB pack here:

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=50&id=6936

The nice things about these droptanks is that they will match the underside colour of the Veltro repaints, light blue for the Egyptian Veltros, which were historically repainted using stock WWII RAF leftover paints, and light grey for the other two, matching the standard underside colour for R.A. aircraft.

I used nicely detailed Thicko's D4Y wing pylons and your splendid 100kg Italian GP bombs.

Each dp contains another contribution from Bearcat241, the fine tuning of the hit boxes. BC added hardpoints to the Veltro as well, which were the starting point for my dp work.

I also gave in to my "I can't leave 'em alone" bug and I created a clean bitmap version, without the outer frame, of Beepee's Italian ASI. The cleaned gauge fits better inside the pre-painted empty frames of both Beepee's and Alphaoldies' 2d/VC panels.

Blood_Hawk, let me know what would you like me to do with your Italian weps.

Full pack upload time is getting closer and closer.......

SKYLANE:

Manuele Villa sent me an invaluable collection of digitalised books on all WWII Italian aircraft. Most of them are in English, like the marvellous Squadron/Signal series. I will put together a list of titles and PM them over to you. I am not aware whether Luigi Gorrini "Vespa 2" biography is available in English, I'm afraid it's not.
In any case, here's the link to Google books:

http://books.google.it/books/about/Ali_d_Italia.html?id=5KT-GgAACAAJ&redir_esc=y

Cheers!
Stef/KH
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Historical documentantion research

Hi everybody! :wavey:

Last night further research yielded info that settles the Veltro capability of carrying payloads in action or not.

Although there is no Regia Aeronautica historical record showing that M.C 205 Veltros were ever used operationally with payloads, their capability of carrying external weapons/droptanks was indeed part of the original project, conceived by Engineer Mario Castoldi at Aeronautica Macchi plant in Varese.
WWII Italian fighter pilots almost thought as Imperial Japanese Naval pilots, accepting no compromise in their aircraft that would have impaired performance and, above all, manoeuvrability. Regia Aeronautica unit commanders, pilots themselves, stood by their subordinates supporting their requests. Meeting these pilot's indications, both Macchi-Castoldi 202 and 205 were conceived as pure fighters and never flown in ground attack roles, apart from strafing terrestrial targets with their inboard guns.
Hanging bombs from the delicate, thin wings of the M.C. 202 Folgore would have seriously impaired her flight characteristics, to the point that Italian pilots even renounced the extra pair of 7.7 mm wing guns provided by the late production series, to keep their Folgores nimble and light. The M.C.202 always suffered from lack of heavy armament, yet the wing guns were routinely taken off from the aircraft in the field by ground crews, upon pilot's requests.

The M.C. 205 Veltro was more powerful than the Folgore, thanks to the 1,475 hp DB605A powerplant, license-built by Fiat. This allowed for the wing armament being kept operationally by the pilots, turned from the Early Production series of a pair of 7.7 mm. Breda-Safat machine guns to two 20 mm Mauser MG151 cannons in the Late Production, Series III, M.C.205V. It also allowed for a strengthened, heavier airframe, making the possibility of underwing hardpoints real.

Only when Italy was split in two by the September 8th, 1943 armistice, aircraft deployed in the Southern Italy co-belligerant Regia Aeronautica were probably field-modified to carry external loads. As I said before, there's only one photo of a M.C. 202 Folgore equipped with droptanks, none of the M.C. 205 Veltro and none at all showing bombs. Just two 100 litre droptanks (about 27 US gals.), to provide the long range necessary to escort missions in Yugoslavia and the Balcan region along with Allied air forces.
Northern Italy based Aeronautica Nazionale Repubblicana (A.N.R.) did not deploy the M.C.205V for ground support missions. A.N.R. Veltros were flown exclusively in the interceptor role of Allied bomber formations.

No.27 issue of a specialized, bi-lingual Italian/English, magazine called "Ali d'Italia" (Italy's Wings), published by La Bancarella Aeronautica, Torino, in 2008, reports that after the end of WWII, the M.C. 205's purchased by the Royal Egyptian Air Force, and flown during the first of the many Arab-Israeli confrontations in 1948, were supplied with permanent underwing pylons. The magazine states the R.E.A.F. Veltros were indeed used for ground attacks, although not specifying whether the attacks were strafing only or strafing and bombing.
I captured three pictures on pages 40-41 (below), which I'll include in the MC205 hybrid REAF folder, clearly showing such pylons.

All of the above said, you will find in this pack "what if" dps for the two co-belligerant R.A. models (EP and H1) with droptank capability only.
I provided the H2 R.E.A.F. model, instead, with a dp featuring permanent wing pylons, droptank capability and a payload of 2 x 120lbs RAF GP bombs. Heavier bombs would not be realistic at all, as they would seriously impair even the M.C.205 more powerful performance.

The attached screenshot still shows MVG3d/Blood_Hawk's splendid Italian 50kg bomb, but Manuele Villa rightly pointed out to me that the Egyptians used WWII surplus leftover British weapons, they indeed had no access to Italian WWII bombs in 1948! Hence the payload change I just mentioned.

This will cause some extra release delay, I am sure you will be patient for another few days! :adoration:

Cheers!
Stef/KH
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