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I've been wondering...

RD..

In my experience.. there aren't that many models out there that demand either procedural starts or flying as a pre-requisite. The only one I have that has no short-cuts is the Majestic Q400 and you don't buy that type of model without expecting switches to be flicked! That said.. I've never read the manual for it:biggrin-new: There are alternative Dash8's out there.. just not by Majestic.

What is it you're looking for.. 'lite' systems, 'lite' price or both?? You can pretty much jump in and fly anything from Milviz, A2A, Cerasim, Nemeth, AH, JF, Aerosoft, Classics Hangar, Flight Replicas, Warbirdsim and on and on. One model I would buy is the Dodo Bell 206 but I know it's a procedural sim (no shortcuts) so have kept away. It's not like there aren't other 206's;)

If everything available required in-depth systems knowledge and a fortnight at ground school.. I'd have a lot more money and a lot more disc space:very_drunk:
ATB
DaveB:)
 
DaveB said:
RD..

In my experience.. there aren't that many models out there that demand either procedural starts or flying as a pre-requisite. The only one I have that has no short-cuts is the Majestic Q400 and you don't buy that type of model without expecting switches to be flicked! That said.. I've never read the manual for it:biggrin-new: There are alternative Dash8's out there.. just not by Majestic.

What is it you're looking for.. 'lite' systems, 'lite' price or both?? You can pretty much jump in and fly anything from Milviz, A2A, Cerasim, Nemeth, AH, JF, Aerosoft, Classics Hangar, Flight Replicas, Warbirdsim and on and on. One model I would buy is the Dodo Bell 206 but I know it's a procedural sim (no shortcuts) so have kept away. It's not like there aren't other 206's;)

If everything available required in-depth systems knowledge and a fortnight at ground school.. I'd have a lot more money and a lot more disc space:very_drunk:
ATB
DaveB
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OK Guys, Willy was correct to not close this thread as there has been some good discussion of our hobby. However, one more time, I was only wondering if there were others like me who simply want to Start FSX, select an airplane and airport, start at the end of the active runway with everything ready to go flying and then go flying. My apologies if that was not stated clearly in my OP.

I soloed in 1963 and have flown simple and complex aircraft since then. The walk around and preflight was not "fun." Starting the aircraft was not fun. Taxing out to the active and run up was not fun. The fun and/or enjoyment began the moment the throttle was pushed forward for the takeoff. At no time was taxing fun as all that meant was increased fuel consumption or rental costs if it was a rental aircraft.

BTW, DaveB, You are absolutely correct. ("If everything available required in-depth systems knowledge and a fortnight at ground school.. I'd have a lot more money and a lot more disc space") If that were the case, I would have one (1) airplane on my hard drive. My favorite Cessna 140 which I went to Sun and Fun on back in 2008.

RD
 
I think this is an excellent thread and a great idea. I've often wished the same myself about many of the top notch payware aircraft I've purchased. There's many a time I simply don't have the time (or desire) to go through a full start procedure. Then I'd love nothing more than to jump in the hot seat and hit Ctrl E ;-)

With my A2A addons that allow it, I'll often remove the accusim element for a while.

Alas though..... I'm also one of those stated above - Can't please me all the time. I'm also the guy asking for a systems depth DH Mosquito, so..... ;-)
 
"You can please some people some of the time but not all all the time".

there are times I want to ctrl-e and other times I want to go through the checklist. I love devs who easily allow both.
 
b52bob said:
"You can please some people some of the time but not all all the time".

there are times I want to ctrl-e and other times I want to go through the checklist. I love devs who easily allow both.
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That's what I said.... I think... Let me look at my notes... :adoration:
 
I mentioned above about multi engined aircraft, but I will confess that I have a few aircraft that I love to fly starting them up by flipping switches in the VC just because of the experience in that particular aircraft. But those are usually single engine aircraft (Alabeo Gee Bee Z being one, or any other Gee Bee). With the Gee Bees, it's probably enjoying the "peace & quiet" before the storm.
 
I'm a 'both' sorta guy.

There are times when I love to flip every switch, and know that the underlying systems are present and simulated to at least some degree. There are other times when I simply want to jump in and go.

What I personally love, and reward developers with my hard earned cash when they do so, is when I can have both in the same aircraft. I've found that quite a few of the 'in-depth' products allow for both - you can go into it and flip every switch and crank the realism to the max, or you can hit a 'ready to fly' button or switch, dial back the realism and simply head off down the runway.

These days I tend to favor in-depth, yet simple, aircraft or helicopters. For example, one of my favorites still is now-aged 4X DA20-100. It's extremely in-depth, yet simple enough to not require a lengthy checklist or startup routine. And for those days when I don't even have time to go through that simple startup or walk-around, I can choose to have it load up ready to taxi.
 
As a RW Pilot and Ret USCG RD, I follow in your path in Re the Sim. There are just many time's thinking of tossing switch's, scanning and monitoring just drive's me virtually nuts to the point of heading down to Ickie's and raiding his Beer stash lol. I just call it the Bone Tactic, named after SOH member Bone. I'll admit once in a while I like to follow the nose Procedure for Procedure. Usually the Twin Otter ie CC138 and C27J for close RW/Sim reason's. I Still love tossing the manual out the window virually lol, eh anyone in Texas seen my Twin Otter manual lol. I think I lost it just outside Austin at 7500Ft lol.
 
b52bob said:
"You can please some people some of the time but not all all the time".

there are times I want to ctrl-e and other times I want to go through the checklist. I love devs who easily allow both.
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Absolutely the case for me too.

I'd add that sometimes I want a simple, easy VFR flight with no complex systems needed, just the Mk 1 Eyeball... other times a challenging IFR tricky met conditions which require complex systems (I'm talking radar etc) to get by (i.e. more than just Ctrl-E vs. cold 'n' dark full system startup/shutdown question).
 
~90% of the time I am flying the AS F-14X, most of the time I prefer to do complete startups and shutdowns, following the NATOPS checklists throughout the flight. That said I am quite grateful for the ready to taxi check box provided in the shift-2 panel as sometimes when scheduling large(ish) multiplayer operations timezones cause people to be a little rushed to make the start time and the ability to instantly (or close enough to) is very helpful for keeping the missions relatively on schedule.
 
I'm in the "it depends" boat. For beta testing, I really want to start everything following the RW checklist, looking to catch any mistakes early during the development of the new model. Some models that I spent alot of time in, like the VRS F-18E, you really can't "cntl+e" start them. Repetition helps, even in a MP environment, I can be up and ready pretty quick (without radar or flight control BIT checks), spending most of my time checking MU waypoints (the pre-set flightplan). I do like having the developers include the quick start option. I recently jumped back into 2 Iris products to test Tacpack stuff, it was nice to hit one switch and have the jet powered up.

The immersion for me comes with the start, the same with any real world start I perform. If the developers got it right with the sounds, that sense of waking up some form of flying beast is there in the "game" as well. Agree with the limited time to enjoy the sim and just fly, but I continue to practice real world procedures during testing. If I found myself getting typed in a 737 or Q400, then I'll purchase any "pro" versions to get the cockpit flows down, a modern day form of "chair flying" with cockpit posters and manuals.
 
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