JockHA / Golden Age / DC-2 Uiver

JockHA said:
Duenna say I landed 1.6 nm from OR0S, but I did land at ORBI 15L.
That can be verified by the attached FSX Flight Analysis.

OR0S is very close to ORBI.
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This reading in Duenna is well known from our RTW experience.

The reference point for ORBS in FS2004 is located at the takeoff end of Rwy 31L. The FSX reference point for ORBI is located near the main terminal.

Duenna uses it's own database of airport locations based on FS2002/2004 data to determine the distance of the aircraft to the nearest airport. It does not use a different airport position database for different versions of FS.

While you were on the runway at ORBI, you were 1.6 nm from the reference point in the middle of the runway at OR0S. You were also about 2 nm from the ORBS reference point.

If you check the posts of other folks for their Baghdad landings - almost everyone who landed on Rwy 15L has the same result showing the landing as being nearest OR0S.

This is an issue for many places in FSX because almost all airports moved at least a few hundred feet with the new round world model.

Whenever we see such an issue that is not already known - we check the position reported in the Duenna file with AFCAD or a similar utility for FS2004 or FSX, whichever version the pilot was using.

The attachment shows the spot where Duenna recorded your aircraft as stopping.
 
Safe down at OIZJ - Jask

I had to take a little tour around the airport as there was no lights at all on the runway or in the airport.

Edit: Added screen print of landing flight analysis.
 
Thanks Salt,

I just thought I had to do this the right way, by taking off from the same spot.

You really have to be carefull and watch the engine fire lights when it pushed to the limit.
I fly it at 31 MAP and 2200 RPM during cruise.
Then it keeps a good speed.
 
Crashed ?????

I was out of the cockpit for some coffey.
When I came back FS was locked.
Duenna says crashed, but no e.g overspeed.
I have no idea what my First Officer has been doing.
 
Looking at your text file Jock it at first appears your engines stopped !! Fire , overheat , fuel starvation , Icing , dont know which but it definately stalled at 11,000 ft and floated down into the sea :(
 
Bry Rosier said:
Looking at your text file Jock it at first appears your engines stopped !! Fire , overheat , fuel starvation , Icing , dont know which but it definately stalled at 11,000 ft and floated down into the sea :(
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Looks like "Otto" struck again..

It would help the investigation a bit if duenna tracked a few more variables, but then again the text file would be enormous.

Maybe a blackbox application should be developed.. LOL :)
 
I think you are right, fuel.

I was working on my work PC :icon_lol: while flying,
and forgot the flying.
So I probaly forgot to switch fuel tanks.:gameoff:
 
Sorry, it is a 3 hr penalty. You don't have to restart from OIZJ though. You can resume at a nearby airfield (point of crash) along the flightpath no nearer to the original destination.

I would sack your First Officer immediately!
 
Jock,

[Sorry to repeat Moses--was preparing the answer as he posted. Here are a few more details.]

You are right, though you have another option.
(a) You can take the 3 hour penalty and restart from you previous departure airport
(b) You can take the 3 hour penalty plus an additional 2 hour penalty plus the recorded flight time thus far. You may then place your aircraft at an airport along your flightpath no closer to your destination. You then (optionally) refuel and recommence your journey. (The airport need not be a "prepared airport.")
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Option (a) is better for "Race Time." Option (b) accepts further penalty time but you need not fly the leg again.

The times involved are:
(a) 3 hour penalty and restart in OIZJ.
(b) 5 hour penalty plus 02:10:33 recorded flight time and restart in OPPI.
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So you may choose either option.

Sounds like the DC-2 is an interesting aircraft to manage over long distances! :cool:
 
My race gene tells me to go for option a.
That I will do, and send the FO home.
Hope the new one is better :icon_lol:

The DC-2 is a little sensitive. Needs monitoring all the time.
You have tried it yourself during Around the World race, landing on one engine.:medals:
 
Change of aircraft to DC-2X

I have changed to the new FSX version. She is modelled much more realistic.

This bird is a "she".
Test flight have shown she is very sensible to how she is operated.

Do not try to change the fuel tanks without turning on the booster pump, otherwise the engines will stop.

If not veeery carefull with throttle and propeller handles, the Cylinder Head Temperatures will cause engine fire.

I need one more test flight before I am ready to try again.
I have had enough penalties until now.
 
Leg 04 B - OIZJ -OPKC Second try

After change of aircraft to new DC-2 FSX, a number test flights with following change of engines, propellers and landing gear, we are off again.

Oh did I forget to tell that I have also got a new co-pilot.
The old one was too sloppy.
I really hope this will help, because I need that (help). :icon_lol:
 
Safe down at VIAL

My co-pilot is quit good.
Monitors the flight nicely.

He has now learned that extending Flaps above 87 kts, damages the hydraulic system, so you can not use the brakes during landing. :applause:
That actually happened in Karachi, so the aircraft kepr rolling. :isadizzy:
 
JockHA said:
I have changed to the new FSX version. She is modelled much more realistic.

This bird is a "she".
Test flight have shown she is very sensible to how she is operated.

Do not try to change the fuel tanks without turning on the booster pump, otherwise the engines will stop.

If not veeery carefull with throttle and propeller handles, the Cylinder Head Temperatures will cause engine fire.

I need one more test flight before I am ready to try again.
I have had enough penalties until now.
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Definitely a she Jock!,,,,maybe even a brat sometimes too...:icon_lol:.

Cowl flap settings can do wonders for CHT quickly.

That plane demands constant attention both airspeed and ALL temperatures. High CHT will take you out quick if not caught and adjustments made early.

Sometimes I'm relieved that I decided not to have to manage those things for the length of this event, but now that I'm done, I wish I had flown her and put up with all of her "mess". It would have been a much richer experience to look back on.

You deserve special recognition for flying such a realistic flight model under race conditions. I have never been able to race or compete and be conservative at the same time, prolly why I've had so many injurys,,,,good thing I have a hard head....:icon_lol:.

Hat's off to ya Jock!
 
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