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JSF to be usurp in Canada ( Yes !!!! )

Of course, then again, you could probably get some Mig's and Sukhoi's much cheaper. . .



Sorry - just kidding -
 
There's another side to this. Cost wise if things keep going in the current fiscal direction, you could see neither one be adopted. Meaning a life extension for the CF-188's with full structural rebuilds, new radar & fire control systems and re-engine options. The other option being as Trans 1007 said, Gripen. The Super Gripen with the GE/Volvo F414 engine could do the trick at a far lower cost that the F-35 or Typhoon.
 
SuperBug, carrying the insititutional memory of pilots/maintainers and the dedicated Hornet support equipment that can be carried over must now be assumed to have the lead over the F-35. F-35 offers Canada nothing that it can't get from other types, and carries the single engine stigma as well as expense and being ugly.

2nd up... a dark horse. Boeing must quietly be whispering "Launch Customer" into some ears in Ottawa. F-15S, solving the Arctic range problem, twin-engined, frontal stealth to match the F-35 and carrying the legacy F-15 undefeated combat record.

Eurofighter was designed for Europe... and Canada no longer operates there. CAF leadership will be looking to integration with NORAD much more than NATO. Boeing products serve that need better.

Myself, I would hope for the F-15S... but figure that the SuperBug will get the nod. So much infrastructure and tooling already exists that can support the CF-188E...

Considering that the Hornets are just finishing a mid-life update featuring structural rebuilds, new radars (APG-73 replacing APG-65), new avionics and new computers... there is time on the clocks to make a decision.
 
There an idea, lets get some F-15 Strike Eagles, that'll do the job. They can't be that expensive these days, nor is there a shortage of parts and supplies.:jump:
 
F-15S is not really a Strike Eagle, more like a Super Eagle. Canada would qualify for the full stealth package including the RAM materials and the canter tails. The only thing unsuitable that I can think of is the air-air refueling probe... I'm not sure how a probe would be fitted.
 
It must be said that aircraft such as the Typhoon and Superhornet are proven and operational aircraft that will surely meet Canada's needs and then some. The sky's the limit with these fighters, especially since they have two seat versions. I haven't heard or seen anything regarding a two seat JSF, but I could be wrong. There won't be a JSF like the Growler, and flexibility could be the key to what a country with a small military like Canada wants.

Just look at the awesome SU-30MKIs that India has. They were relatively cheap, they can do almost anything you could ask a fighter to do, they carry a huge load of diverse weapons, and they can take on anything out there today.
 
VaporZ said:
What will you do on a "far far north" intercept Norad mission
with a shut off F-35 engine that do not want to relight ?

For this reason, everybody within our operational combat
squadrons would like to have a Typhoon, a SuperBug or
a Rafale.
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Yes, but that really is a matter of opinion only. Don't forget that the costs of operating a twin are MUCH higher than those of a single. Please also consider that a multi-engined aircraft with a single engine failure will immediately egress the battlespace, rendering it as useful in the fight as a single with the same problem.

In the world of military accident/incident trending, there is no clear distinction between single and multi engined fighter aircraft.
 
Thanks for the link P! Can't wait until I can cut-and-paste on the iPod. :)
 
ok just to let you know, Typhoon HAS been cold weather tested at Vidsel AB, close in the artic circle in its development phase, temperatures constantly between -25*C and -31*C, and performed 45 proof of performance tests both on the ground & in flight, and was completely fault free, (first time every time)... but as you say I can see Canada headed for either a CF-188 mid-life update, revamp the old parts or get the superbug.... although an 'Icephoon' would look great in Canadian colours:icon_lol:
 
thedude247 said:
I hope that DND holds off on buying some of these bad boys for even a little while, wiht the way our economy is right know, I don't think it's a smart move.

Don't get me wrong, we need an up-to-date aircraft for our air force, but now isn't really the best time for large purchases like this.:kilroy:
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Poor world economy eventually equals serious resource conflicts. Canada hopefully does not have a lot to worry about, but defense is a wise choice in these times.
 
Smoothie said:
ok just to let you know, Typhoon HAS been cold weather tested at Vidsel AB, close in the artic circle in its development phase, temperatures constantly between -25*C and -31*C, and performed 45 proof of performance tests both on the ground & in flight, and was completely fault free, (first time every time)... but as you say I can see Canada headed for either a CF-188 mid-life update, revamp the old parts or get the superbug.... although an 'Icephoon' would look great in Canadian colours:icon_lol:
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Given those operating temperatures... the Typhoon is cleared to operate in Spring and Fall, what would Canada do in Winter? Seriously... I've seen temperatures around -45*C** in Cold Lake, AB (Canada's Fightertown). Inuvik, Cold Lake's Forward Operating Location, sees winter temperatures that can exceed -50C. LOL! At -25C the flight line crews in Cold Lake largely forgo cold weather gear in favour of the more mobile midweight stuff. I'm sure it could be made to work in cold temps... but the US tests for operability in Alaska, they understand cold in the continental weather pattern.
 
Cerberus said:
Poor world economy eventually equals serious resource conflicts. Canada hopefully does not have a lot to worry about, but defense is a wise choice in these times.
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Canada would be even smarter to avoid conflict. There is no shortage of food and mineral resources there; and America would never let Canada get attacked.
 
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