Hi men (and ladies?), I spent most of yesterday messing around with evo force joystick. By the time i was finished cfs2 was uninstalled once again! Not to worry, my new planes are safe and not much else in the files. I think i am giving computer hacker a new meaning. I am using force 3d pro at the moment and it is fine. My question is: what would make ailerons and elavators screw up so badly. When the joystick is centered the ailerons are pointed up and elavators are up or down. Quite a joyride. Just wondering if anyone knows about this. Also, i have cfs2 installed on another computer, that i share with wife. She has about 99% share. I installed it incase i wanted to see original files, etc. On that machine, in the aircraft files, each plane has a file called " Installer Package". When i open it there is a message saying "sorry an error has occurred. The application could not be installed because the AIR file is damaged. Try obtaining a new AIR file from the application author". Like i said, i d`ont use this install for flying, but the aircraft do show up and start, so i am guessing they fly. Ever see this? See ya, Rick