'Kesolowski & Edwards: Round 3'

Panther_99FS

Panther_99FS

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Here's my take....

Kesolowski got into Edwards by accident because he overdrove it....
Edwards purposely pushed Kesolowski aside....

:monkies:
 
Yep. "Cousin Carl" seems to have constructed for himself and the media this "nice guy" image, which is somewhat at odds with the way he drives on the race track. Next week another short track. Should be interesting...
 
Panther_99FS said:
Here's my take....

Kesolowski got into Edwards by accident because he overdrove it....
Edwards purposely pushed Kesolowski aside....

:monkies:
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an accident because he overdrove it?
when you overdrive a flat corner you are going to hit whoever is beside you on the high side....he purposely overdrove the corner. and he knew carl was up there.
yeah carl got him back but that is a result of 'have at it boys'....and carl has apparently made up his mind that bad brad ain't gonna take another win away from him.
 
Nobody in NASCAR likes Bad Brad, when he learns respect, incidents like that will stop. That was a proper track to stick it to him, Talledaga was not. :ernae:

Caz
 
Neither hit was an accident, but Carl is going to take some grief due to the mess he left in his wake. The media is going to have a field day overplaying this and NASCAR may rethink "have at it boys".
 
Hey All,

I didn't see the race but watched the "action" here:

http://www.nascar.com/video/nationw...ps/07/17/nns_gat_high_final.nascar/index.html

Sorry but Carl was totally in the wrong he absolutely turned into Brad. Yes Brad did give Carl a "nudge" nothing wrong with that but just driving right through Brad was just wrong. Very disappointed in Carl - rookie move. In fact thinking about it further Carl has simply lost any respect he had from me other than flipping off the side of the car which is still cool but not his driving. Listen to his talk - Carl knows exactly what he did and knows it was deliberate - absolutely disgusting - he needs a suspension.

http://www.nascar.com/video/nationwide-series/2010/07/17/nns_gat_high_post.nascar/index.html

I confess I like Brad K but it wouldn't matter who the drivers were - the nudge OK that's NASCAR has been ever since Earnhardt but driving through a car is flat wrong unless your holding your line - Carl wasn't he turned into Brad. Hope NASCAR sees that - if they don't they're blind.

-Ed-
 
Hey All,

I understand the penalties handed out as both drivers on probation till the end of the year will eliminate Brad "dumping" Carl (who deserves it) in thew next few months and prevent Carl from more "dirty" driving. That said the penalty was unfair to Brad who simply got the position on Carl and did a perfect "bump an run" - good hard racing. Carl obviously doesn't like getting out driven on the track as he is simply not as good a driver as Keselowski although he is better at flipping off windows. Only taking 60 points from Carl and taking 60 points from the owner was going pretty soft.

The days of rookies being respectful and being seen and not heard died a long time ago. I like Brad's driving as he is really smart and skilled but more than that he does not act like a punk the way both Busch boys used to.

-Ed-
 
can't really agree with you Ed....they raced each other clean up until brad bumped him out of the way on the last lap. considering their history he knew what was going to happen if he did something like that. if he was going to bump him then he should have knocked him completely out of the way like gordon does to kennseth all the time:icon_lol:

ironhead used to do that to people all the time...but when retaliation came he manned up and took it.
 
There is one piece of info left out here. If you can find it take a look at the (next the last lap) and you will see Brad go into and around the corner right on the bottom. So we know the car was capable of running low. On the last lap he went up 1 1/2 lanes to hit Carl. Carl knew Brad had room to get under him safely, that's why he was so damn mad that he lost it and rammed him.
 
brad has proved numerous times he has a penchnt for "dirty driving".....like when he dumped joey lagano to get a third place finish (cant remeber the track)..but biffle had moved lagano and then bad brad just dumped him for the finsish and later said..."he had the spot and i wanted it"....when i was racing and someone did that to me..they got a fist in the face at th pizza parlor later that night..lol

bottomline......dont fool yourselves...Brad is no angel...he is just good at making his "bumps" look like an accident...carl on the otherhand just gets mad and gets emotional....another guy who is sneaky like bad brad is kevin harvick....
 
Terry said:
There is one piece of info left out here. If you can find it take a look at the (next the last lap) and you will see Brad go into and around the corner right on the bottom. So we know the car was capable of running low. On the last lap he went up 1 1/2 lanes to hit Carl. Carl knew Brad had room to get under him safely, that's why he was so damn mad that he lost it and rammed him.
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exactly....in fact they played in car audio between brad and his crew chief during the discussion of whether to start high or low and brad said something like 'i almost feel like we need to execute our own lane instead of trying to take his lane'...meaning the high lane which carl had been running all night.....even the guys calling the race...can't remember who it was exactly...mentioned that brad went in the turn higher than he usually did. also of note is that carl got an extremely good restart...he stayed in his lane....gave brad room on the bottom....and still got hit.
 
Hey All,

I hear what your saying but... Ever since Dale Earnhardt rubbin is racin the bump and run is a valid tactic to use in NASCAR. This isn't keep your fenders and bumper off me racing. The whole key to the bump and run is to do it in such a way you don't wreck or endanger the other driver. Carl got a great restart Brad had to find a way to get the addvantage back - if your behind and in the right strategic position basically the inside you can use the bump and run - sometimes you don't need to do the bump as just taking the air off the spoiler is enough to achieve the same thing. I have NO doubt Brad bumped Carl deliberately as they had a history of racing that way. He did it masterfully and Carl got flat beat on track and so retaliated viciously and wrongly.

If you want no bumpy bumpy racing go watch the F1 parade.

-Ed-
 
I'm not standing up for either one of these drivers on this deal, but I refuse to buy into this crap about Edwards being a squeaky clean driver, that he is not!!

Plenty of times he's lost his temper, and he has gotten into trouble for it. During a cool down lap after a race was over, he came out of the pits and hit Jr's car on purpose, because the poor baby got bumped out of the way and lost the race. Of course, he won't admit his car was so loose going into that turn, (video makes that real clear) that he let up, and when you do that, and the car behind you is still in the gas, your going to get hit. Then he comes out of the pit after the race to retaliate? The hell with Edwards and his punk temper,lol
 
Daveroo said:
brad has proved numerous times he has a penchnt for "dirty driving".....like when he dumped joey lagano to get a third place finish (cant remeber the track)..but biffle had moved lagano and then bad brad just dumped him for the finsish and later said..."he had the spot and i wanted it"....when i was racing and someone did that to me..they got a fist in the face at th pizza parlor later that night..lol

bottomline......dont fool yourselves...Brad is no angel...he is just good at making his "bumps" look like an accident...carl on the otherhand just gets mad and gets emotional....another guy who is sneaky like bad brad is kevin harvick....
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Great points - especially the Logano incident...
 
Hey All.

bottomline......dont fool yourselves...Brad is no angel...he is just good at making his "bumps" look like an accident...carl on the otherhand just gets mad and gets emotional....another guy who is sneaky like bad brad is kevin harvick...
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The bump and run is legitimate racing or it is not - take a side. I say it IS in NASCAR otherwise we would end up with open wheel racing in a different kind of car - nobody wants that.

-Ed-
 
EasyEd said:
Hey All.



The bump and run is legitimate racing or it is not - take a side. I say it IS in NASCAR otherwise we would end up with open wheel racing in a different kind of car - nobody wants that.

-Ed-
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no bump and run is fine....brad bumped...but failed to run...then carl bumped and ran on to the checkered flag.
 
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