Still trolling through them all Aussieman; I hope you feel inspired to do a few yourself. Not sure if we can get this working for you in P3D but will try. Otherwise, maybe a native conversion will help.
Lockheed L-18 Project
- Thread starter Milton Shupe
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Still trolling through them all Aussieman; I hope you feel inspired to do a few yourself. Not sure if we can get this working for you in P3D but will try. Otherwise, maybe a native conversion will help.
Not at all. I want to make it as authentic as the factory delivered L-18 and C-57-60A. But, there were many variants with custom builds for customers. I'll do the best I can to keep it era-correct.
Of course, the panel/gauges will be "modifiable", and would support any changes you wish to make.
srgalahad
Charter Member 2022
Unfortunately, there are few photos of "at delivery" cockpits readily available. Most that can be found online are of 1960's or later and depict aircraft that were updated or (significantly) modified by Lear, PacAero, etc. and we've scoured hundreds of images and a couple of dozen books. There is one good, labeled drawing of a C-60 main panel but only a partial overhead and enough evidence, as Milton said, that there were various layouts specified or offered depending on the customer. The C-60's had a radio operator position, the civil ones likely had very limited and not-FS-functional radios so there will have to be some compromises there and hopefully little or no need for custom gauges.
It's further hampered due to the close confines of the cockpit not being easily photographed and often the surviving period photos are intended to feature the smiling faces of happy crews for PR purposes. Even aircraft now in museums are often not restored and still have the modernized cockpits from when they last operated. The search continues. I'm attempting to get enough info from two museums as to the state of their aircraft and whether there are pics, or if I can get in to take photos but...
Rob
nigel richards
Charter Member
Your tenacity and diligence in the quest for panel/gauge references is truly praiseworthy, Rob.
The value of such material gleaned for these projects cannot be overstated. Many a detail; sub-panel, switch, gauge - rests on the behind scenes, generous efforts of folk like yourself.
Bravo!
Agree wholeheartedly! Rob is one of many who help to do the research and keep us pouring of the details to try to get things correctly modeled and rendered. Depending on the project interest, the list of contributors can be quite long. They are easy to spot; just look through the threads for the project. Involvement and communication are key to project quality and completeness.
lemonadedrinker
Charter Member
Hi,
I found a few pictures of panels which I'm putting here, and a cardboard box of useful looking spare gauges
The chances are that you have seen all these before!
Andy.
I found a few pictures of panels which I'm putting here, and a cardboard box of useful looking spare gauges
The chances are that you have seen all these before!
Andy.
Hi,
I found a few pictures of panels which I'm putting here, and a cardboard box of useful looking spare gauges
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The chances are that you have seen all these before!
Andy.
Thanks Andy. Some are identified as Hudson's, and one is a C-40; not sure what that is unless it was a transport based on the L-14.
As best I can tell, this would be the real PV-1 cockpit at least from the Vega Ventura viewpoint. Not sure how the commercial carriers would have differed other than armament and other military mods.
lemonadedrinker
Charter Member
Hi,
this is a pic which shows the side window arrangement a bit better than some... although I don't understand if they open sideways or outwards !
Andy
this is a pic which shows the side window arrangement a bit better than some... although I don't understand if they open sideways or outwards !
Andy
Matt Wynn
Charter Member
Thanks Matt; great to see you back in action.
it's good to be back i gotta admit... heck call me 'sentimental' if you must, but i missed the old crowd.
Rob seems to think that it opens from the bottom up I believe.
nigel richards
Charter Member
How many setups are on these?
The starbd. side window works back - forth.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yOIE3D_avA
1:35 into video.
AussieMan
SOH Staff .."Bartender"
The L-18 was part of the Lockheed family that included the Hudson and Lodestar and the side windows followed the same principle on all models. That is the side window was hinged at the top and therefore opened from the bottom up.
I no longer fly FS9 but am following this thread as I intend to see if it will work on FSX and either of the P3D versions.
The quarter windows had a different purpose in those days when windshield icing was a problem. The pilots could open the frosted quarter windows protected by the wing wind deflector window out front to be able to see around the wing deflector the to land. See attachment.
Aussieman, it will work in FSX for sure as I test on both sides. Hoping you will be able to add some of those nice liveries from down under.
nigel richards
Charter Member
Fascinating, practical solution.
So you'll be modeling this to operate with a key function, Sir?
AussieMan
SOH Staff .."Bartender"
The quarter windows had a different purpose in those days when windshield icing was a problem. The pilots could open the frosted quarter windows protected by the wing wind deflector window out front to be able to see around the wing deflector the to land. See attachment.
Aussieman, it will work in FSX for sure as I test on both sides. Hoping you will be able to add some of those nice liveries from down under.
I have the paint buckets on order Milton. Will do my best.
@Nigel, Click spots that open and close the window seem to work better and save3 keys for more important functions.