Lockheed L-749 ..... it's released

Well I'd guess that just about covers that :jump::jump:. Because of the special coding that is used to make the Connies ( all of them use similar but different versions ) it's generally a bad idea to add anything that might influence those gauges in any way.

And your mini panel certainly qualifies there.

Stefan

If you absolutely need that added panel follow the cfg edit I suggested in my earlier post and at least there will not be any drag associated with the spoiler action.
 
:ernae: WOW!!!!!!!!! I LOVE THIS NEW CONNIE:jump:
Did my first successful longrange testflight from KBOS to KLAX this afternoon.
The L-749 is probably THE BEST CONNIE ever, and it's FREE!!:USA-flag:

Many thanks to Manfred and his great team!
Fantastic work:medals::applause:

daypharris
 
I think I've found another bug. I can't get the prop reverse activated without actually clicking the lights on the panel. Ctrl_F2 won't work. I switched to the Starliner to double check and it still works fine there. the reason the control key function is more important to me is because I have the prop pitch axis (all four at once) assigned to a rotary dial on my X52 and then a button is tied to the Ctrl+F2 function. That way, I can pull the pitch back and get into reverse without having to take my hand off the stick or throttle.
 
Tom Clayton said:
I think I've found another bug. I can't get the prop reverse activated without actually clicking the lights on the panel. Ctrl_F2 won't work. I switched to the Starliner to double check and it still works fine there. the reason the control key function is more important to me is because I have the prop pitch axis (all four at once) assigned to a rotary dial on my X52 and then a button is tied to the Ctrl+F2 function. That way, I can pull the pitch back and get into reverse without having to take my hand off the stick or throttle.
Click to expand...


Hi Tom that may be an unwanted side effect of a small change we have made to the way the throttle position is processed.
When you open the status window with the throttle closed what do you get for control position or percentage ???

If you want to test something real quick find these lines in the aircraft.cfg

[GeneralEngineData]
engine_type= 0
Engine.0= 6.562, -30.417, 0.000 //-31.417
Engine.1= 8.858, -14.701, -1.969
Engine.2= 8.858, 14.701, -1.969
Engine.3= 6.562, 30.417, 0.000 //31.417
fuel_flow_scalar= 1.0320
min_throttle_limit=0.0300 // was 0.00990
master_ignition_switch= 0 //Master Ignition Switch
max_contrail_temperature=-20 //choose temp c below which contrails occur

and change the bold one back to the old value....there are other side-effects as usual in this case related to the hydraulic system model....just want to see if you then get your controls back.

Stefan
 
The first "official" Air Force One was a C-121A. How much different externally was it from the L-749?

In any case, I'd love to see a repaint even if fictional!
 
Actually the first officialy dedicated aircraft for use by the President of the United States was a Douglas VC-118 (DC-6B). It was used by Pres. Harry S. Truman and was named Independence.

Pres. Dwight D. Eisenhower chose a VC-121 (a Super Constellation) and it was named Columbine III.

Pres. Franklin D. Roosevelt never had an officially designated plane. He used what ever was available. Fact is his trip to meet Churchill, in North Africa, was flown on a Boeing B.314 Clipper operated by Pan American.
 
aeronca1 said:
The first "official" Air Force One was a C-121A. How much different externally was it from the L-749?
Click to expand...

Hi,

download the new 3 military liveries - it's just like the white-topped one. The nine C-121A were cargo planes and had a cargo door and a stronger floor than the passenger planes.
The first of the lot of ten was a VC-121B, designed as a VIP transport right away. Actually, the Air Force expected Dewey to win the 1948 election and had this plane prepared for him, but to their surprise, it was Truman who won (and retained his previous plane). The VC-121B was having a passenger door and a standard floor only.
The 121A's were converted to VIP carriers, but apparently retained the cargo doors (and probably the cargo floor).
I would expect the 'Air Force One' to look just like any other VC-121A. No fancy different engines or something like that.

Bet regards,
Volker
 
Cowboy1968 said:
Pres. Franklin D. Roosevelt never had an officially designated plane. He used what ever was available. Fact is his trip to meet Churchill, in North Africa, was flown on a Boeing B.314 Clipper operated by Pan American.
Click to expand...

Actually Roosevelt had a special VC-54C named "Sacred Cow" that was designed for his use. I think he only flew on it a couple times, but it even had a specially designed elevator to lift him on board.

Chris



FS2004 (ACOF) - FS2004 Modern Military FS2004/FSX Douglas VC-54C-1-DO 'Sacred Cow'
[SIZE=-1][ Download | View ] [/SIZE]
Name: vc-54c.zip Size: 2,586,833 Date: 12-01-2008 Downloads: 502
vc-54c.gif
[SIZE=-1] FS2004/FSX Douglas VC-54C-1-DO 'Sacred Cow'. Built as a C-54A-5-DO Skymaster at Santa Monica for the USAAF (c/n 7470) and delivered on 26 January 1944. Converted to VC-54C-1-DO for personal use by President Franklin D. Roosevelt. Irreverent journalists promptly named it 'Sacred Cow'. The VC-54C contained an electric elevator to lift the polio-struck Roosevelt and his wheelchair on board. The elevator was raised from the ground into the aircraft's belly for which purpose a hatch in the bottom of the fuselage could be opened. President Roosevelt made only a few flights with the 'Sacred Cow', the most famous journey being to and from the Yalta Conference with Stalin and Churchill in the Soviet Union. Following the death of Roosevelt, his successor Harry S. Truman continued using the 'Sacred Cow' till July 1947. Nowadays the aircraft is on display at the Air Force Museum at Wright-Patterson AFB, be it with a different serial number. These are textures only. You will require Jens B. Kristensen's Douglas DC-4 and C-54 (DC4_V21.ZIP). Repaint by Maarten Brouwer.
[/SIZE]
 
Hi there,

The successor of the 'Sacred Cow' was the Douglas VC-118-DO "Independence". Laid down as a DC-6 (the DC-6B did not exist yet) for American Airlines, it was taken over on the production line by the USAF. At least one photo exists of the still bare metal aircraft standing outside before the new window arrangement was applied.

FSX - FSX Modern Military FS2004 OR FSX Douglas VC-118-DO 'The Independence'
[SIZE=-1][ Download | View ] [/SIZE]
Name: vc118do.zip or vc118dox.zip Size: 2,381,278 (FSX) Date: 02-22-2009 Downloads: 369
VC118DOX.GIF
[SIZE=-1] FS2004 or FSX Douglas VC-118-DO 'The Independence'. This Douglas VC-118-DO was the personal aircraft of President Harry S. Truman. It was named 'The Independence' after President Truman's home town in Missouri. The aircraft was delivered on 1 July 1947 and served from 4 July 1947 on as a presidential aircraft till 1953 when Gen. Dwight Eisenhower became President of the USA. It seems that the rather special paint job was based on an idea by President Truman himself. 46-0505 served on as a general VIP transport till 1966 when it was donated to the Smithonian Institute for preservation. It is on loan to the Air Force Museum at Wright-Patterson AFB. 'The Independence' could accommodate for 24 day or 12 sleeper passengers (in the main cabin). It had a luxurious State Room aft of the passenger door. Usually there was a crew of eight. It is featured here in its original tan, blue and metal livery. You will require Jens B. Kristensen's FS2004 or FSX Douglas DC-6 (DC6_V20.ZIP or DC6_V20X.ZIP). Repaint by Maarten Brouwer.[/SIZE]

Here are some links to photos of the first Connie President Dwight D. Eisenhower used as his personal transport. In 1952, President Eisenhower was flying to Florida. The Presidential plane was named 'Columbine II' (after the official flower of Colorado, the First Lady's home state), but it was identified to flight controllers as "Air Force 610" (from its tail number 48-610). However, flying in the same general region was Eastern Airlines Flight 610. The Eastern Airlines pilot overheard a conversation between flight controllers and the President's plane, and for a moment thought the references to flight "610" were meant for him. Although nothing untoward happened, the government realized that the confusion could have been tragic. Since then, any Air Force aircraft with the President on board has been referred to as "Air Force One." Thus, the 'Columbine II' was the first aircraft to be distinguished with this designation, and she served President Eisenhower for several years in this role.

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Lock...96488/L/&sid=881c81a0aa765453635e00ef30692124
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Lock...83696/L/&sid=881c81a0aa765453635e00ef30692124
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Lock...68264/L/&sid=4463292cd8bed1337b0f60ec90b47897
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Lock...22439/L/&sid=4463292cd8bed1337b0f60ec90b47897
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Lock...09738/L/&sid=4463292cd8bed1337b0f60ec90b47897

Cheers,
Maarten
 
[



[FONT=verdana, sans-serif]
sendfile.php
[FONT=verdana, sans-serif]File Description:[/FONT]
[FONT=verdana, sans-serif]Dimensionally identical to the first-generation Constellation (L-049), the post-war 749 had more powerful engines, additional fuel tanks, strengthened landing gear, and much improved performance. Equally good for shuttle hops and long-range flights, L-749 Connies entered service with major 1950s carriers such as Eastern, TWA, B.O.A.C., Air France, KLM, Quantas, and many others. Another customer was the Air Force, which placed an order for ten aircraft (designated C-121A) in 1948. Included in this sim package are seven models and five textures, covering variants with and without "Speedpak" cargo pannier, weather radar, and "jetstack" exhausts. KLM texture by Jaap de Baare (representing "Flevoland", the last 749 in flying condition today). TWA texture N6003C "Star of America" by Hans Herrmann. EAL, Air France, and MATS textures by Manfred Jahn (including "8609", a frequent visitor to airshows all over the world until 2005). Panel textures and additional gauges by Diego S. Barreto, model and VC by Manfred Jahn, panels, gauges, and animations by Hansjoerg Naegele, flight dynamics by Luis Pallas, wingview angles, lights, and exhaust effects by Bill Tyne and Roland Berger, checklist and documentation by Volker Boehme, flight test and handling research by Stefan Werner. The 749 project has been hosted by Tom Gibson's Calclassic forum at http://calclassic.proboards55.com. [/FONT]


Would love to see the Navy WV-1 paint of this added.
http://www.dconsultants.com/EC-121/VW1_Page_1.htm


[/FONT]
 
Hi,

When you open the real cowl flaps, there is an increase in drag. In most FS propliners, this is coded by deploying the spoilers - a little bit for a little open, a lot for full open. So the "speedbrake" deployment you are seeing is completely understandable. Avoid using the / key, since it will either set the spoiler as up (no drag), or fully deployed (only true for cowl flaps full open, which should only be on the ground).

So think of your light as a "cowl flap open" light. :)

Hope this helps,
 
Stefan, I guess I should have pulled up the Status Page first. It turns out that the props were going into reverse, but the lights just didn't indicate that. The pitch number went into the negative just like they should with the minimum throttle at 3%. With the minimum throttle reduced to 0.99%, the lights worked as if you'd clicked them with the mouse. Either way, prop reverse apears to work fine.:applause:
 
tgibson said:
Hi,

When you open the real cowl flaps, there is an increase in drag. In most FS propliners, this is coded by deploying the spoilers - a little bit for a little open, a lot for full open. So the "speedbrake" deployment you are seeing is completely understandable. Avoid using the / key, since it will either set the spoiler as up (no drag), or fully deployed (only true for cowl flaps full open, which should only be on the ground).

So think of your light as a "cowl flap open" light. :)

Hope this helps,
Click to expand...

I would have to look again if we are using that drag still or not Tom, since the L-1649A had an emergency speed brake system with associated drag value the cowl flap drag I think was coded into the Starliner.gau which in modified form still does duty on the L-749.

But of course the cowl flaps do create drag when they are opened into the slip-stream. Which is modeled in the L-749.
The reason why I think there is more of an issue with this mini panel is that it seems to know only two positions....ON and OFF.

Again my suggestion is to either use the airplane unmodified....or try to reset the line in the cfg I pointed to and see if that helps.

Stefan
 
Tom Clayton said:
Stefan, I guess I should have pulled up the Status Page first. It turns out that the props were going into reverse, but the lights just didn't indicate that. The pitch number went into the negative just like they should with the minimum throttle at 3%. With the minimum throttle reduced to 0.99%, the lights worked as if you'd clicked them with the mouse. Either way, prop reverse apears to work fine.:applause:
Click to expand...


Hi Tom the lines on the status gauge for the props should actually change to REV (or REVS) when the reverse pitch is engaged. I have made a note however about the 0.03 vs 0.0099 and we'll see what we can make out of it.

With the original value the props should also go into reverse with a preset of I think 60% throttle when you left click the lights.

Stefan
 
Cowboy1968 said:
Actually the first officialy dedicated aircraft for use by the President of the United States was a Douglas VC-118 (DC-6B). It was used by Pres. Harry S. Truman and was named Independence.
Click to expand...

True, but if wikipedia is correct, it never used the call sign "Air Force One".

Does anyone know a reliable source for info on these A/C?

Thanks also for the above info regarding other avail a/c and liveries!!!!!
 
OK - hopefully this will come out "on paper" as clearly as I see it in my brain...:isadizzy:

In both cases, proper operation depends on the prop RPM being 800 or greater.

Minimum throttle @ 0.99%:
Pull the pitch all the way back and the prop numbers go to 0.
Hit my Ctrl+F2 button and the 0 goes to "REV" AND the Beta switches from +15 to -44.
Reverse lights on panel are on.
Reverse works.
(Below 800RPM, you can have "REV" displayed all day long and the beta will stay put @ +15 and you won't have reverse thrust.)


Minimum throttle @ 3.0%:
Pull the pitch all the way back and the prop numbers go to 0.
Hit my Ctrl+F2 button and the 0 stays as is (no "REV" displayed), but the Beta still switches from +15 to -44.
Reverse lights on panel are off.
Reverse still works.

(And I almost posted this with a rather "Freudian" typo on the word "pitch!" :monkies: )
 
Thanks for that Tom,

I will bring this back to our next team meeting and we'll see which direction to go with it.
If you leave the 0.0099 setting then there may be a problem with certain hydraulic controls especially if you had less than 4 engines running because of how the hydraulic pumps are arranged in the airplane (true in real life as well but the sim makes it's own problems on top of the real ones).

But that to be honest we did not get to test all that much before the release....so don your orange jump-suit and pack a chute and give her a spin with this setting if you like :ernae:

Most likely there will be a few other things discovered now that there is a few hundred people testing and not just 5 or 6 in the team.
Like with the Starliner and SuperG there will probably be a update to correct these things at some point.

I'll get back to you after a bit more in-house testing. As long as all 4 engines are running the 0.0099 setting should work fine. If you loose more than 2 look for a very long runway and land with %60 flaps....and extra time to extend gear. But it still works just fine.

Stefan

PS. After the props go into REV you indeed have to bring the throttles back up slowly to get actual braking action....if you click the lights that happens automatically (your virtual co-pilot doing the work for you)
 
Sunny9850 said:
PS. After the props go into REV you indeed have to bring the throttles back up slowly to get actual braking action....if you click the lights that happens automatically (your virtual co-pilot doing the work for you)
Click to expand...
Yep - that part I knew. That's what I love so much about the way your team has modelled these birds. Real thrust reverse on any plane isn't just a matter of pulling the throttles below the zero point. You have to bring the throttles to idle, reverse the pitch (or dump the buckets), then bring the throttle back up to produce the revered thrust. I've only seen one throttle system with a detent below zero, and that detent was labelled "Fuel Shutoff."

I guess that's something else that MS thought the general public was too dumb to comprehend.:isadizzy:
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top