London-Melbourne Challenge 2009 Rules

For the purposes of these events we use Flight Time as the official time keeper.

Technically this is not a relay race there is no Baton but old habits die hard with some of us.
 
Hey All,

Thought I'd ask here as well as in Ed's (Falcon409) thread. In the summary of the rules for Ed it didn't say.

Can modern age aircraft land in Russia and Iran or not? I'm not sure this is clear because it souds like they can due to the ability to land anywhere but then again pilots can't land in Russia or Iran (Persia). To me it don't matter much in a PC-12 with near 1100 n miles range but to some it does matter. For example the Piper Aerostar "stiffs" :bump: (you guys asked for it!) flew around Iran - did they need to?

-Ed-
 
(Easy) Ed,

Modern Age pilots may not land in Russia (or in the former Soviet Republics)--nor may they land in Afghanistan. They may land at only two airports (Bushere and Jask) in Iran. Otherwise, a penalty.

Note that you may fly over Russian, Iranian, and Afghan airspace...but you may not land (with the noted exceptions).

Hope this helps,
Mike
 
Committee ruling required

Hi guys,

I seem to have encountered a complication while landing at ORBI. I was late descending and had to circle several times before I landed on Rwy 15L at ORBI, but the Duenna has recorded my landing at OROS which is a mile or so from ORBI. I've landed at this airport many times, so I know what it looks like and I feel confident that I landed at the correct airport. My flight tracking data indicates that I was heading in a 150 degree direction when I landed at ORBI, and investigation will show that OROS has only an east west runway:

http://www.fsrtwrace.com/track/ShowFlight.php?detail=flight&value=Kfi49Ggmm2T01shXVSuKy5RwKZk

I hope you'll be able to make sense of this and rule accordingly.

Regards,
Mike Beckwith
 
A few of us have had the same problem Mike. For some reason RW15L gives you a destination of OROS instead of ORBI. I think RW15R would give you the correct Duenna. On the flight tracking site, if you switch the Google map to satelite, and zoom in, you can clearly see you've landed at the correct airport :)
 
Mike, the lat/long in your Duenna are consistent with the position of ORBS/ORBI (runway 15L) so no penalty. you ARE at the right place.

What happens is that near the threshold of 15L you are closer to the geo ref for OR0S than the airport georef for ORBS/ORBI (about 1.8nm compared to 2.0nm) so it thinks you are "over there"

Carry on!

Rob
 
Restricted Airspace???

Please forgive me if this is the wrong place to post stupid questions...

I've been searching for posts regarding restricted airspace. I'm interested in doing some "point of interest" fly-by's, i.e. the Eiffel Tower, or the Egyptian pyramids, etc. I know this is not in the best interest of time, because it is indeed a race, but are we allowed to enter restricted airspace and perhaps fly below minimum altitude (500' unpopulated / 1000' populated areas)?

Was the airspace around Paris and the Eiffel Tower prohibited back in the 1930's as it is today (6500/GND)?
 
Not a stupid question. Flybys are okay with no min restrictions. Just avoid landings as described below.

From the rules:

"Restrictions on Landing Rights. [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Pilots may not land in Afghanistan or the USSR (The USSR includes all the Soviet Republics: Russia, Moldova, Ukraine, Azerbaijan, Geor-gian, Armenia, Turkmenistan, Kazakhstan, etc). Nor may pilots land in Iran (Persia) ex-cept for the two airports listed below. Emergency landings in those territories cost the pilot a three-hour penalty above and beyond any other penalties. Pilots may fly over these countries' airspaces without penalty."[/FONT][/FONT]



[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]I doubt there were restrictions in place back then, at least on any consistent level. Maybe srgalahad can enlighten us being ex-ATC?
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my guess is that if you don't land and get arrested, or shot at/down in the process, you're probably OK. In fact, most of those restrictions and regulations were just being "grown" in the 30's in response to guys like us, who went racing and barnstorming ( and crashing into nice places).

The rules make OUR prohibitions and in this case we are Air Regs, ATC, ICAO, IATA, FBI, RCMP, Interpol and any other organization that may be relevant.

Butttttttttt... hit something (esp. one of those 'landmarks') and crash and... well... rules is rules... and we have no clout with the local town councils or militia

Rob
 
A quick question. Can REX v2 be used for weather simulation. I usually use Active Sky Advanced and have never used REX for weather before and have no idea if its good enough for depicting real world weather
 
Dual RMI

A quick question, as I can't find anything in the rules. Would it be allowed to install additional avionics while on route? I'm thinking adding the DUAL RMI/ADF set in Singapore.
 
A quick question, as I can't find anything in the rules. Would it be allowed to install additional avionics while on route? I'm thinking adding the DUAL RMI/ADF set in Singapore.

Dual RMI is allowed in the Golden Age and as far as I am concerned it is a must. :icon_lol:

Panel modes are allowed.

The only restriction would be no glass cock pit.

Primarily vintage avionics as best as possible

Don't forget a good wind drift gauge.

See this thread here for the wind drift gauge i use http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/showthread.php?t=24096
 
Rule Clarification Required

I have been routing myself based on how i read the rules which I read them to mean that we can only refuel at the Prepared Refueling Points.

Based on this section in the rules.

Refueling.

Modern General Aviation Class pilots may land and refuel at any airport. The concept "Prepared Fuel Stops" does not apply to the Modern GA Class.

For the Golden Age Class, only a limited number of airfields are Prepared Refueling Points. Once outside of Europe, the availability of AVGAS was highly uncertain in the '30s . In the event, the organizing committee had to pull some "colonial" weight to get these stops set up with proper Avgas and Oil and to insure that the often-rough aero-dromes were upgraded with the proper facilities. This list includes the airports prepared for the 1934 race as well as a few others commonly used by long-distance fliers in the 1930s.

Prepared Fuel Stops for the Golden Age Class
(Some substitutions where necessary.)

London, England. Mildenhall AB [EGUN]
***
Paris, France. Le Bourget [LFPB]
*
Lyon, France. Bron [LFLY]
*
Marseille, France. Marignane [LFML]
**
Rome, Italy. Ciampino [LIRA]
**

Brindisi, Italy. Casale [LIBR]
*
Halle-Leipzig, Germany. [EDDP]
*
Vienna, Austria. [LOWW]
*
Belgrade, Yugoslavia. Dojno Polje [LYBE]
*
Bucharest, Romania. Baneasa (LRBS)
*
Athens, Greece. Hellinikon [LGAT]
**
Iraklion,Crete, Greece. [LGIR]
*
Akrotiri, Cyprus. (Britain) [LCRA]
*
Mersa Matruh, Egypt. [HEMM]
*
Cairo, Egypt. Amaza [HEAZ]
*
Lydda, Palestine.( British Mandate) (now Tel Aviv Ben Gurion) [LLBG]
*
Beruit, Lebanon, Syria. (French Mandate) [OLBA]
*
Aleppo, Syria (French Mandate). [OSAP]
**
Baghdad, Iraq (British Mandate). [ORBS] [ORBI-FSX]
***
Bushehr, Persia. [OIBB]
**
Jask, Persia. [OIZJ]
**
Gwadar, Sultanate of Oman (now Pakistan) [OPGD]
*
Karachi, India (Britain) (now Pakistan). Jinnah Intl [OPKC]
**
Jodhpur, India (Britain). [VIJO]
**
Agra, India (Britain). [VIAG]
*
Allahabad, India (Britain). [VIAL]
***
Calcutta, India (Britain). Dum Dum (now Netaji Subhash Chandra Bose) [VECC]
**
Akyab, Burma (Britain). (now Sittwe or Site-tway) [VYSW]
*
Rangoon, Burma (Britain). (now Yangon) [VYYY]
**
Bangkok, Siam. [VTBD]
**
Alor Star, Malaya (Britain). [WMKA]
**
Singapore (Britain). Seletar [WSSL]
***
Medan, Sumatra, Netherlands Indies. (Polonia) [WIMM]
*
Palembang, Sumatra, Netherlands Indies. [WIPP]
*
Batavia, Java, Netherlands Indies. (Jakarta Halim Intl) [WIIH] [WIHH-FSX]
**
Bandung, Java, Netherlands Indies. [WIBB] [WICC-FSX]
*
Surabaya, Java, Netherlands Indies. [WRSJ] [WARR-FSX]
*
(Rambang, Lombok, Netherlands Indies.) Selaparang [WRRA] [WADA-FSX]
**
Kupang, Timor, Netherlands Indies. El Tari [WRKK] [WATT-FSX]
**
Port Darwin, Australia. [YPDN]
***
(Newcastle Waters, Australia) Tennant Creek [YTNK]
**
Cloncurry, Australia. [YCCY]
**
Charleville, Australia. [YBCV]
***
Narromine, Australia. [YNRM]
**
Melbourne (Flemington Racecourse), Australia. Essendon [YMEN]
***
Notes.

***Compulsory Checkpoint Control Stop
** Prepared Refueling Stations (1934)
* Additional Airports from the 1930s

Observe that this Prepared Refueling Points restriction increases the navigational chal-lenge. First, the pilot must calculate fuel consumption to be sure to reach these fields. And second, this requires slightly more precise navigation/planning so as to be able to hit the right field. (Many cities changed airports since 1934. Substitutions here aim to keep the routing decisions similar to those faced during the 1930s and to include multiple run-ways for "into the wind" operations so important for earlier aircraft.)

Refueling at Other "Unprepared" Airports.

Golden Age pilots may land and refuel at other "unprepared" airfields. However, each such landing or refueling will incur an additional one hour "Uncertainty Cost" which is added to the total time. This cost represents the probability that one will find no fuel or oil, or get the wrong grade of fuel, or hit a hole in an unprepared field, or get detained by the local officials. And it compensates for the fact that in 1934 there were not nearly so many airports from which to choose. (Two telling examples: (a) The Mollisons stopped for fuel at an unexpected place. They had to convince the local bus service to contribute fuel. Using that fuel, their engines seized up and the Mollisons had to abandon the race. (b) The American team of Jack Wright and John Polando in the Monocoupe stopped un-expectedly for fuel in Persia. They were arrested as spies and held for a few days.) Need-less to say, one cannot refuel at a non-airport site.
So the question is

***Compulsory Checkpoint Control Stop
** Prepared Refueling Stations (1934)
* Additional Airports from the 1930s

Are the single "*" airports refueling stops or are they just addition airports one may stop at?

I have been taking it that all of the "*" airports would fall under the category of Refueling at Other "Unprepared" Airports mostly because the "**" airports are specifically designated as Prepared Refueling Stations (1934).

I need clarification before I hit my next leg.

Thanks Dave
 
Hey All,

As I understand it post number 10 from MM in this thread answers your question. In short they are all prepared.

-Ed-
 
Very disturbing to hear because my route would have been different. :mad:

I was never planning on being a contender to win the race but I wanted to execute a well thought out plan in a very challenging aircraft. Now the well thought out plan part has been BLOWN. :censored:

However all is not lost!

This means I will execute PLAN B
.
:a1310:
 
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