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Man beats woman hurrendously for not dancing with him
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Henry
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with regards to Religion and politics over this matter
i believe they really do not come into play or at least should not
this is about an eye for an eye
or a rabid dog
now does he deserve a death penalty, im all for saving money
cheaper than life in prison but there again one innocent man is too much to pay
it seems like he was apprehended and seen in the act
put him in the slammer, would he change yup but not for the reasons he needs too
he never killed anyone this time
but next time?
darn im just glad i cannot dance
the 1st commandment states thou shall not kill
that has to work both ways [Religious ]
imprisonment vs death [political]
whatever happened to the stocks, rotten eggs and tomatoes
and just put him on display
stone the ***
HenryVIII :salute:
i believe they really do not come into play or at least should not
this is about an eye for an eye
or a rabid dog
now does he deserve a death penalty, im all for saving money
cheaper than life in prison but there again one innocent man is too much to pay
it seems like he was apprehended and seen in the act
put him in the slammer, would he change yup but not for the reasons he needs too
he never killed anyone this time
but next time?
darn im just glad i cannot dance
the 1st commandment states thou shall not kill
that has to work both ways [Religious ]
imprisonment vs death [political]
whatever happened to the stocks, rotten eggs and tomatoes
and just put him on display
stone the ***
HenryVIII :salute:
Well Im not the judge God is, so you dont have a valid point. And no one will be enjoying that day sorry, And you can have all the pets you want.
Quixoticish
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My post was meant in jest oakfloor.Anyway, talking about valid points all seems rather futile when you're discussing something subjective like an alleged invisible man living in the sky.
Curtis P40
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I think Cazzie is on to something. Spent alittle time in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia, and every Saturday in the town square was judgment day. Makes people think twice about doing something stupid. Besides, where's the modern day America or Australia to send them to?
Curt
In jest? I think your replys say exactly what you mean, so I will just leave it alone.
Those of you who are so strongly against the death penalty should have seen some of the court proceedings in the trial of Richard Allen Davis, convicted in 1996 of the kidnapping and murder of 12-year-old Polly Klaas. If ever there was a piece of sh*t who deserved to be executed it was Davis. Unfortunately he is still on Death Row at San Quentin, thanks to the legal time warp of the appeals process. I'd still gladly make the trip out to California to throw the switch on him, were I invited to do so. 
He will get his day, and it's coming sooner than we think.Those of you who are so strongly against the death penalty should have seen some of the court proceedings in the trial of Richard Allen Davis, convicted in 1996 of the kidnapping and murder of 12-year-old Polly Klaas. If ever there was a piece of sh*t who deserved to be executed it was Davis. Unfortunately he is still on Death Row at San Quentin, thanks to the legal time warp of the appeals process. I'd still gladly make the trip out to California to throw the switch on him, were I invited to do so.
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tigisfat
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(prepares shield for oncoming attacks)
You guys are going way overboard here.
A guy gets turned down for a dance and then beats her up? BS. I'll bet there is WAAAAAAAAY more to this story.
Like I said, there has to be way more to this story, and this 'poor innocent little girl' is probably a monster. Girls love to dance! They don't turn down ugly or loser dudes for dancing. Only the most miserable 'Paris Hilton' snotty brats do. Still, that doesn't warrant a beating: there has to be more.
You want to kill someone because he beat someone up? Anyone that wants the death penalty for this guy should realize their hypocrisy in sensationalizing the situation. If this was some random dude beating up another dude, noone would care. This christain stuff can be downright offensive, and this isn't the place for it. I usually do'nt say anything because most of the time your religious thraeds are harmless. It's particularly offensive right now because the typical christain 'holier than thou' attitude warrants making a big deal out of something because 'I could never be driven to do something that bad because I'm so christain' but you want him murdered in cold blood? If there was a Jesus, how do you think he'd feel about you saying that?
You guys are going way overboard here.
A guy gets turned down for a dance and then beats her up? BS. I'll bet there is WAAAAAAAAY more to this story.
Like I said, there has to be way more to this story, and this 'poor innocent little girl' is probably a monster. Girls love to dance! They don't turn down ugly or loser dudes for dancing. Only the most miserable 'Paris Hilton' snotty brats do. Still, that doesn't warrant a beating: there has to be more.
You want to kill someone because he beat someone up? Anyone that wants the death penalty for this guy should realize their hypocrisy in sensationalizing the situation. If this was some random dude beating up another dude, noone would care. This christain stuff can be downright offensive, and this isn't the place for it. I usually do'nt say anything because most of the time your religious thraeds are harmless. It's particularly offensive right now because the typical christain 'holier than thou' attitude warrants making a big deal out of something because 'I could never be driven to do something that bad because I'm so christain' but you want him murdered in cold blood? If there was a Jesus, how do you think he'd feel about you saying that?
So typical "holier than thou" and "downright offensive" he made the choice to beat her and will have to live with that. Like I said it's not my place to judge him, anyway you can have the last word. And as a Christian, Im praying that he will change his ways, but if he does not..then so be it.
Snuffy
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Lets approach this from another angle. I assume you don't have any sisters. I also assume you don't have a girlfriend.
NOW, suppose this girl that got the crap beat out of her by this low life was your sister, or your girlfriend, Now how do ya feel?
The point is, his actions warrent some form of punishment. Guys who go around beating on women don't necessarily fit into society very well, because ... well .. obviously, its not a normal thing for this to happen. So already he's working against society.
Will he recoupe after a stint in prison? Most likely not, the odds are not infavor of it, so then when he gets out he's got this great big humoungous dislike for this woman because his actions against her landed him in jail ... now he's not only mad he's vindictive ... he'll most likely look her up ... try for another dance and when she realises who he is, and refuses, he'll kill her.
Nice. If you would have just offed him from the start then the innocent life lost would be spared.
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tigisfat
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Well, oakfloor took the more non-confrontational angle, and I had so much respect for his mature response that I was gonna leave this alone. If we have to, I guess we will approach it from another angle.
I have four stepsisters and a longtime girlfriend of six years.
OH MY GOD THAT MAKES IT DIFFERENT!! No it doesn't. I try not to let my emotions rule my opinions of what proper justice in our society should be. I'm not part of the christian base in this country that would DEMAND banning wild birds if an adorable three year old blonde white girl was attacked by a bird. How much of that is real emotion, and how much is being a part of a culture where you must always try to outdo others? Shouldn't your relationship with god be between you and god and not you and other christians?
I agree with you. The system should be capable of reviewing all evidence, his prior offenses and coming to a FAIR and equitable conclusion.
C'mon, you don't know half the story but you're already deep into his psyche? This is just like the Duke Lacrosse thing, where more details will come out.
Whatever you say. That is rediculous. I can't win this one by appealling to your better judgement and common sense, apparently. Half the problems with our country are caused by emotional fanatics, the deeply religious and special interest groups; usually the push for oppressive legislature is created by a group that falls into all three categories. People like you are the reason some criminals go unchecked and some accused are subject to what can be likened to lynchmob justice: the reason that many innocent men and women have gone to jail for child molestation.
I hope someone doesn't accuse you when you're innocent of some heinous crime that you're unable to defend yourself against. A system of freedom, weights and balances and the ability to appeal and defend yourself are supposed to be the hallmarks of a good society.
AckAck
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[sarcasm]Where is that Church? Kansas? I'd guess that that is a pretty small base, so you not being part of it isn't that surprising. Most of the rest of the Christian churches would ban wild birds if she was brunette too - and some even if she were hispanic, or - (gasp) four.[/sarcasm]
(see, you forgot the proper HTML tags) :d
Brian
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Simple.
When the man goes to jail, find a way to pass on the court transcript to one or more of his jailmates. Most of those gentlemen have wives or girl friends, sisters, daughters, and (ummm...) mothers. Most are massively unhappy in an environment of harse conduct, high stress, and more than a little violence.
Word'll get around and the Darwinian way shall prevail.
No religion, no politics, no right or wrong. Merely survival of the fitest, the strongest, the smartest.
When the man goes to jail, find a way to pass on the court transcript to one or more of his jailmates. Most of those gentlemen have wives or girl friends, sisters, daughters, and (ummm...) mothers. Most are massively unhappy in an environment of harse conduct, high stress, and more than a little violence.
Word'll get around and the Darwinian way shall prevail.
No religion, no politics, no right or wrong. Merely survival of the fitest, the strongest, the smartest.
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Ken Stallings
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I learned a long time ago that invoking an absolute in any human enterprise is rife with error.
To my view, it makes as much sense to advoate total abandonment of the death penalty as it is to advocate total enforcement of it. All human situations have shades of meaning and context.
When you have a mass murderer like Timothy McVeigh or Osama bin Laden, don't hand me that line that the death penalty is not an appropriate sentence! If not Hideki Tojo then what if Adolph Hitler had not killed himself and been captured?
But what really bothers me is the totality of mindset which reinforces the desire for absolute rejection of the death penalty with the assuredness that all who advocate allowance under circumstances as somehow lacking in moral terpitude or judgment.
There are in this world, certain classes of criminals who are without any reasoned expectation of rehabilitation -- near complete certainty of recidivism. Combine that with crimes of dire evil, such as child rape and/or murder, and it seems clear to me that certain crimes fit criteria for certain punishments.
I would hope that a fuller consideration of the factors would yeild a far less strident conclusion. If nothing else then, at least a concession that their is room for consideration of the alternative point of view.
Ken
To my view, it makes as much sense to advoate total abandonment of the death penalty as it is to advocate total enforcement of it. All human situations have shades of meaning and context.
When you have a mass murderer like Timothy McVeigh or Osama bin Laden, don't hand me that line that the death penalty is not an appropriate sentence! If not Hideki Tojo then what if Adolph Hitler had not killed himself and been captured?
But what really bothers me is the totality of mindset which reinforces the desire for absolute rejection of the death penalty with the assuredness that all who advocate allowance under circumstances as somehow lacking in moral terpitude or judgment.
There are in this world, certain classes of criminals who are without any reasoned expectation of rehabilitation -- near complete certainty of recidivism. Combine that with crimes of dire evil, such as child rape and/or murder, and it seems clear to me that certain crimes fit criteria for certain punishments.
I would hope that a fuller consideration of the factors would yeild a far less strident conclusion. If nothing else then, at least a concession that their is room for consideration of the alternative point of view.
Ken
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MCDesigns
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I'm with you Bill, take him out of society, permanently! Beating the crap out of a stranger simply because they won't dance with you shows extreme mental instability and he shouldn't be in society!
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tigisfat
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C'mon, how likely is that really? The guy is old enough to get in clubs, he's not in jail already and he hospitalizes her over a dance? This story is flawed.
The rest of the story...
http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/03/11/nurse-beaten-in-midtown-bar/
The woman was the victim of an attempted sexual assault. She fought back, the guy got pissed off and beat the s#!t out of her.
The guy should be charged for the crimes he committed, none of which carry the death penalty.
http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/03/11/nurse-beaten-in-midtown-bar/
The woman was the victim of an attempted sexual assault. She fought back, the guy got pissed off and beat the s#!t out of her.
The guy should be charged for the crimes he committed, none of which carry the death penalty.
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tigisfat
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It's just as I thought. There weren't witnesses, just her statement. Of course she doesn't want to tell the full story of why she got beat up.
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