Manfred's Douglas C-47 Reloaded (Beta)

Pepere said:
Okay this is some kind-a nice aircraft and I sure would like it and some of the repaints. However, reading all, all the post would take me a year to find where on earth you can find them, especially the base aircraft. Any help out there? thanks guys

David
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The key word is "beta", it ain't done yet. Apparently will be very soon though. The original C-47 is available at Simviation and uses the default DC-3 VC. The C-117D and the Basler are available and are more like the pics of the Beta in this thread in terms of knock-dead gorgeous! :ernae:
 
HighGround22 said:
Gman: Are you quoting from that old chestnut of a movie?

I can't . . . quite . . . recall the actor's name, but I remember that "binoculars" were involved.

Do I get a prize? Huh? Do I?
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Man...I can't remember. I seem to recall it being Gene Wilder, but I've had thirteen concussions and the CRS is getting worse. lol
 
Pepere said:
Okay this is some kind-a nice aircraft and I sure would like it and some of the repaints. However, reading all, all the post would take me a year to find where on earth you can find them, especially the base aircraft. Any help out there? thanks guys

David
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The C-117 is on the site here if you don't have it already. The DAK will be released here first, so there will be plenty of traffic on it. It will be easy to find.

I love the DAK, but that C-117 is a gorgeous sexy old girl too.
 
AussieMan said:
Some scans from a book I have on the DC-3. There are surprisingly many variants.

Hope these don't give Manfred heart palpitations although I would love to see the Viewmaster and the Wrights powered 8 windows each side variant.
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There's been a lot of discussion about the multiple variants (and conversions) of the DC-3 and it's military sisters. In most cases we cannot just call it a DC-3 or C-47 and be confident that what we see is 'typical'. To begin, there were several different versions of the initial civilian DST/DC-3 and then many more different combinations once military orders began coming in.

Here are a few references to help ( or confuse) you...
hours of reading from different perspectives: http://dc3dakotahistory.org/

and a few links to their sub-sections:
-here is a good overview of how the assorted variants got confusing http://dc3dakotahistory.org/c-47dakota-military/military-variants/
the Russian bought/built models: http://dc3dakotahistory.org/c-47dakota-military/russian-li-2/#more-1624
The Japanese bought/built models (including a reported "wooden wonder derivative: http://dc3dakotahistory.org/c-47dakota-military/japanese-l2d3/

Some conscripted airframes were returned to their previous civilian owners after the war (and restored/converted - or not), some were sold as surplus (again restored/converted), some were 'switched from right-hand door to left-hand (and maybe a couple the other way round). As more moved fromairline operations to other civil applications ( executive, cargo, crop-sprayers, etc.) other mods changed the engines (mostly from Wrights to P&W for commonality), cargo doors got sealed and replaced by airstair doors, "speed-kits" were developed (wheel fairings - small and large) windows added or blanked-out.

Pat's beloved Viewmasters were conversions done by several sources (most notably Remmert-Werner in St. Louis, MO and Fairey & Ansett in Australia).
"Speaking of Viewmaster DC-3s, VH-ANR was the first aircraft modified in Australia. The work was performed by Fairey Aviation at Bankstown between July and October 1958. Other Australian Viewmasters were:

VH-AVL ex QAL converted prior to sale to SPANZ as ZK-BYD
VH-IND converted by Ansett at Essendon sold to SPANZ as ZK-BYE
VH-ANM converted by Ansett at Essendon sold to SPANZ as ZK-CAW
VH-AEQ TAA Dismantled and in poor condition on a farm near Swan Hill
VH-TAK TAA Wrecked nose section at Mitiamo Air Museum north of Bendigo.

ZK-CAW survives as a McDonalds restaurant at Taupo, NZ.

The conversion of VH-IND and VH-ANM also involved removal of Wright 1820 engines and fitment with P&W 1830."
http://www.pprune.org/archive/index.php/t-482386.html

Here are a couple of links to show how many mods and changes occurred to individual airframes (both related to Viewmaster conversions):
http://www.aussieairliners.org/dc-3/vh-anr/vhanr.html
http://www.oldwings.nl/content/c47_bog/c47.htm

So, if you have a love for a particular DC-3/Dak/Skytrain the only way to understand it is to trace the aircraft by serial number and piece together the various steps in it's history. There are a few sources, the best of which are the very comprehensive DC-3 volumes by Air Britain
https://www.air-britain.co.uk/cgi-b...dc 3&PN=Douglas-DC-1--2--3---Volume-3-41.html
https://www.air-britain.co.uk/cgi-b...-DC-3-The-First-Seventy-Years---------47.html
https://www.air-britain.co.uk/cgi-b...ch.html&WD=dc 3&PN=Haynes-DC-3-Dakota-92.html
If your budget doesn't allow for the A-B books there are a couple of online sources that may (or may not) be up-to-date:
http://www.abcdlist.nl/maind.html

For more general info including some very unique data try this - in particular the "Tech Data Airframe" "tech Data Misc." and "Pilots Training Manual" links (want to know what different colours of flame and smoke from the engines mean? -it's here) http://www.centercomp.com/dc3/25000.html

There... while you wait for the updated model and paintkits all that should keep you entertained and perhaps educated to a greater degree than you ever expected :icon_lol:

PS - Pat, since you like counting windows ( it can sometimes be a great aid in 'planespotting') how about a rare Right-hand-door, NINE-window version? --> http://www.airliners.net/photo/Douglas-DC-3-208A/1170441/&sid=70c63d454da5faf87a078c2ba64cbedc

For those who weren't blinded by the CPAir Dak in the orange/red "Speedstripe' livery, try THIS! --> http://www.airliners.net/photo/Air-...1444160/&sid=70c63d454da5faf87a078c2ba64cbedc

Oh, one last bit... Remmert-Werner (which reportedly produced the first 'corporate' DC-3 conversion in 1946) still exists in a way. Read the timeline in this link: http://www.sabreliner.com/sabreliner-aircraft-history/timeline-aircraft
 
Thanks for that list Rob. I actually have a good friend who started his airline career with Airlines of NSW back in 1964 and was a regular pilot/co-pilot of ANR. Often tells me of his adventures on tours around Australia in her. She actually had an engine failure on take off several years ago and pancaked into Botany Bay at the end of Runway 16R. Now on display at the Queensland museum at Caloundra.

When Bill retired he was flying Airbuses with Ansett. Those days they were forced to retire at 50 for the main commercial airlines.

Technically I am not a window/rivet counter but was just highlighting the many variations there were.
 
Good gravy! This thread is up to 31 pages and still going! I guess this shows the level of interest in Manfred's C-47. :applause:
 
I was thinking the same thing. My hyperthread alarm :pop4: goes off every time I check its progress. Sure hope she arrives for us by the weekend.
 
stansdds said:
Good gravy! This thread is up to 31 pages and still going! I guess this shows the level of interest in Manfred's C-47. :applause:
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I find it way more pleasant than a freeware model can attain such a level of exposure nowadays. It's a faint glimmer of hope...
 
Thirty one pages....amazing.

Update: The final coding, animations and tweaks are being finished up. MJ added a couple of small tweaks, and I'm finalizing the skins that will release with the model. The paint kit is ready for the DAK and the C-117.

Good news is that FPS are outstanding with this bird, even in high demand environments.

I'll keep everyone posted as we get close to the release.

Gman.....
 
and while we wait, I might as well throw in some wip shots of yet another paintscheme:








Hope you like it?
 
Lovely work, Jankees! A huge beer to everyone involved in this release - model ( double-huge beer to MJ ), sounds, repaints etc. Christmas really is coming early this year.
 
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