CWOJackson
Charter Member
And a 'Political Party' that will never be elected under that name.
Actually, the Pirate Party won quite a few seats either despite or because of their party platform.
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Actually, the Pirate Party won quite a few seats either despite or because of their party platform.
Wing_Z
Charter Member 2011
NZ has a Pirate Party!
I didn't know that, probably because they polled less than the Legalise Cannabis in Aotearoa Party, last time round.
Without delving into the politics:
The Pirate Parties believe in reform of copyright and patent law, and free sharing of knowledge.
There’s no doubt intellectual property laws need shaking up, they come from a time when just being able to write was a big advantage.
And latterly patents have gone mad, there’s probably a patent held for your left foot.
But there’s a difficulty with “free” sharing: someone has to have something to share, voluntarily.
In Kim’s case, he pimps someone else’s stuff against their wishes, for his own (considerable) benefit.
He has a history of pushing what's reasonable:
- two-year suspended jail sentence in 1998
- 20-month suspended jail sentence in 2003
- a fine imposed last year in Hong Kong
He may well go to jail this time.
It’s what happens to Pirates.
I didn't know that, probably because they polled less than the Legalise Cannabis in Aotearoa Party, last time round.
Without delving into the politics:
The Pirate Parties believe in reform of copyright and patent law, and free sharing of knowledge.
There’s no doubt intellectual property laws need shaking up, they come from a time when just being able to write was a big advantage.
And latterly patents have gone mad, there’s probably a patent held for your left foot.
But there’s a difficulty with “free” sharing: someone has to have something to share, voluntarily.
In Kim’s case, he pimps someone else’s stuff against their wishes, for his own (considerable) benefit.
He has a history of pushing what's reasonable:
- two-year suspended jail sentence in 1998
- 20-month suspended jail sentence in 2003
- a fine imposed last year in Hong Kong
He may well go to jail this time.
It’s what happens to Pirates.
Z if your going to do it do it right.
Pirate Party is a label adopted by political parties in different countries. Pirate Parties support civil rights, direct democracy and participation, reform of copyright and patent law, free sharing of knowledge (Open Access), data privacy, transparency, freedom of information and free education.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirate_Party
Pirate Party is a label adopted by political parties in different countries. Pirate Parties support civil rights, direct democracy and participation, reform of copyright and patent law, free sharing of knowledge (Open Access), data privacy, transparency, freedom of information and free education.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirate_Party
Wing_Z
Charter Member 2011
Oh I expect you mean:
If you're going to do it, do it right.
Not sure what your point is in any of your posts so far, either.
A bit like the "Occupy (fill in the blank)" movement.
They seem to be somehow disgruntled, but when they are interviewed you get the strangest variety of responses:
Some want free cannabis, others less government, some want more government handouts, others less corporate greed.
Whatever, they are camping in our public parks and stuffing up the grass.
Don't take umbrage, but the message is a little garbled.
Wombat, in some areas they have quite a lot of credibility. Political groupings are using the label, as Allen (and Wing_Z, to an extent) said, to fight for civil rights, direct democracy & participation, reform of copyright & patent law, free sharing of knowledge, data privacy, transparency, freedom of information & free education. And that has support, they have one more than just a 'few seats'; there are 2 MEP's and numerous municipal & city councllors across Europe.
Don't get hung up on the fact that they call themselves "Pirate Party", or that some of them have more extreme views than others; that happens in all political parties, worldwide, just look at some of the coverage of the US primaries & some of the more 'interesting' candidates who put themsleves forward. What they are is a pressure group lobbying for long overdue reforms in this area; I wouldn't want them to get everything they are demanding, any more than I want Sony, Universal et al to get what they are demanding - but somewhere in the middle would be sensible
& would be more beneficial to all, but you don't get consensus if only one voice is being heard.
Kim Dotcom, or whatever he calls himself, is obviously an idiot & presumably criminal (innocent until proven guilty, remember); but that doesn't mean everybody adopting the Pirate Party badge is too.
Don't get hung up on the fact that they call themselves "Pirate Party", or that some of them have more extreme views than others; that happens in all political parties, worldwide, just look at some of the coverage of the US primaries & some of the more 'interesting' candidates who put themsleves forward. What they are is a pressure group lobbying for long overdue reforms in this area; I wouldn't want them to get everything they are demanding, any more than I want Sony, Universal et al to get what they are demanding - but somewhere in the middle would be sensible
& would be more beneficial to all, but you don't get consensus if only one voice is being heard.
Kim Dotcom, or whatever he calls himself, is obviously an idiot & presumably criminal (innocent until proven guilty, remember); but that doesn't mean everybody adopting the Pirate Party badge is too.
Ferry_vO
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wombat666
Administrator
Andy, we have similar fringe parties appearing from time to time but they never really end up in a position to influence the majors.
I might be more tolerant of titles such as 'Pirate Party' if more people were inclined to NOT label the 'Sea Shepherds' [I'm a long time active member FWIW] as 'Terrorists' or 'Pirates'.
Just donning my official 'Admin Hat' I suppose I must remind everyone [including self!] NOT to go overboard on the politics.
Andy, we have similar fringe parties appearing from time to time but they never really end up in a position to influence the majors.
I might be more tolerant of titles such as 'Pirate Party' if more people were inclined to NOT label the 'Sea Shepherds' [I'm a long time active member FWIW] as 'Terrorists' or 'Pirates'.
Just donning my official 'Admin Hat' I suppose I must remind everyone NOT to go overboard on the politics.
Will try to restrain myself.
Don't forget that people used to say that about the Green Party movement, and that has reached a position to influence policy in a number of countries worldwide; still contains it's fair share of fruit loops, but over time those kinds go the margins of any movement.
CWOJackson
Charter Member
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Once the Greens were Germany's political rebels. But on Sunday they lost their title to the Pirate Party, which won seats in a regional government for the first time. The success of their data-driven message took even the party itself by surprise.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,787044,00.html
Once the Greens were Germany's political rebels. But on Sunday they lost their title to the Pirate Party, which won seats in a regional government for the first time. The success of their data-driven message took even the party itself by surprise.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,787044,00.html
Wing_Z
Charter Member 2011
Well the internet being the well-connected thing that it is... it's not too late to rescue your legal cloud-based file uploads from Megaupload.com
http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/d...profit-to-help-Megaupload-users-retrieve-data
http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/d...profit-to-help-Megaupload-users-retrieve-data
SPman
Charter Member
I suppose you've all seen this take on it...
http://powerofnarrative.blogspot.com.au/2012/01/oh.html
http://powerofnarrative.blogspot.com.au/2012/01/oh.html
CWOJackson
Charter Member
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...d-bust-reduce-internet-piracy-says-study.html
It marginally slowed pirating down for a few hours while that community shifted their operations and other file sharing companies experienced a surge in customers.
It marginally slowed pirating down for a few hours while that community shifted their operations and other file sharing companies experienced a surge in customers.
Wing_Z
Charter Member 2011
Kim's Back Home!
Well they let him chill in jail for a month, to show they are serious.
He and his co-conspirators are out on bail, a provision being they have no internet access.
I do not know how you enforce that, I have internet access on my little phone...
Bodes ill for the neighbours, a bored overgrown kid at home with no online games to play.
The extradition hearings are yet to come I believe.
Well they let him chill in jail for a month, to show they are serious.
He and his co-conspirators are out on bail, a provision being they have no internet access.
I do not know how you enforce that, I have internet access on my little phone...
Bodes ill for the neighbours, a bored overgrown kid at home with no online games to play.
The extradition hearings are yet to come I believe.
Dotcom needs $200k a month to live
I've just read this online .......... :violent:
Megaupload founder Kim Dotcom and his wife need more than $200,000 a month to get by, a court has heard.
Dotcom, facing extradition to the United States, and his heavily pregnant wife Mona are seeking to have some of their seized assets to be released at a hearing at the High Court in Auckland on Wednesday.
Crown prosecutor Anne Toohey told the court that together Dotcom and his wife have requested that $220,000 a month in living costs be released.
Among the monthly costs requested are $24,000 for body guards, $29,000 for staff including nannies, a butler and Mrs Dotcom's personal assistant, $5000 for landline phone costs, $8500 for gas and power, and $6500 for tutoring the couple's four-year-old child.
Costs for the maintenance of the empty $30 million rented Dotcom Mansion in Coatesville, north of Auckland, have also been requested.
Ms Toohey said many of these costs were unreasonable, given the average annual income of a New Zealand household is about $79,000.
She said that if the funds were released, the amount would almost drain, in the space of a month, Dotcom's New Zealand Rabobank account, which contains about $300,000.
The 38-year-old Megaupload founder was granted bail last week. He is awaiting an extradition to the US, where he is facing charges of racketeering, copyright infringement and money laundering.
However, he could be returned to custody if the Crown's appeal of the decision to release him on electronically monitored bail is successful.
A decision on this is expected on Wednesday afternoon.
$220,000 a month in living costs ....... !!!!!!!!!
In ya dreams .
Pete.
I've just read this online .......... :violent:
Megaupload founder Kim Dotcom and his wife need more than $200,000 a month to get by, a court has heard.
Dotcom, facing extradition to the United States, and his heavily pregnant wife Mona are seeking to have some of their seized assets to be released at a hearing at the High Court in Auckland on Wednesday.
Crown prosecutor Anne Toohey told the court that together Dotcom and his wife have requested that $220,000 a month in living costs be released.
Among the monthly costs requested are $24,000 for body guards, $29,000 for staff including nannies, a butler and Mrs Dotcom's personal assistant, $5000 for landline phone costs, $8500 for gas and power, and $6500 for tutoring the couple's four-year-old child.
Costs for the maintenance of the empty $30 million rented Dotcom Mansion in Coatesville, north of Auckland, have also been requested.
Ms Toohey said many of these costs were unreasonable, given the average annual income of a New Zealand household is about $79,000.
She said that if the funds were released, the amount would almost drain, in the space of a month, Dotcom's New Zealand Rabobank account, which contains about $300,000.
The 38-year-old Megaupload founder was granted bail last week. He is awaiting an extradition to the US, where he is facing charges of racketeering, copyright infringement and money laundering.
However, he could be returned to custody if the Crown's appeal of the decision to release him on electronically monitored bail is successful.
A decision on this is expected on Wednesday afternoon.
$220,000 a month in living costs ....... !!!!!!!!!
In ya dreams .
Pete.