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Middle and second name???
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Mick
SOH-CM-2025
Some people seem to think his middle initial was H...
I'm not sure if they used middle names in that place in those days.
I don't think they used surnames, at least not for he ordinary class of people, and if not, then there would be no such thing as a middle name or a last name.
If identification beyond a given name was needed, many folks seem to have used their home town, as in "Jesus of Nazareth."
Occupations might also be used, like "Joseph the Carpenter" or "John the Baptist."
They also tacked on other identifiers, like "The Greater" or "The Less" or "The Fair."
It sort of reminds me of the present day Sherpa people, who don't use surnames. If they're doing something Western that requires it, like opening a bank account, they just use "Sherpa" as a last name, but they don't consider it a name; it's just something to fill a space on a form.
Names are only one of the ways we can get confused by trying to think in modern terms about ancient times. Not just customs but ways of looking at the world have changed. That makes the translation of ancient languages especially challenging.
One of the reasons Christianity has split into so many sects is that some people read the scriptures as if the were written in modern English, and they try to understand them accordingly; some are familiar with the languages they were written in, the concepts of the time, and the associated literary and speech conventions of the day; most folks stand somewhere between those extremes. You can see where different people with different degrees of knowledge and understanding might read the same passage and come up with wildly different interpretations of what it says and means.
My guess is that he didn't have a middle or last name in the sense that we do.
I'm not sure if they used middle names in that place in those days.
I don't think they used surnames, at least not for he ordinary class of people, and if not, then there would be no such thing as a middle name or a last name.
If identification beyond a given name was needed, many folks seem to have used their home town, as in "Jesus of Nazareth."
Occupations might also be used, like "Joseph the Carpenter" or "John the Baptist."
They also tacked on other identifiers, like "The Greater" or "The Less" or "The Fair."
It sort of reminds me of the present day Sherpa people, who don't use surnames. If they're doing something Western that requires it, like opening a bank account, they just use "Sherpa" as a last name, but they don't consider it a name; it's just something to fill a space on a form.
Names are only one of the ways we can get confused by trying to think in modern terms about ancient times. Not just customs but ways of looking at the world have changed. That makes the translation of ancient languages especially challenging.
One of the reasons Christianity has split into so many sects is that some people read the scriptures as if the were written in modern English, and they try to understand them accordingly; some are familiar with the languages they were written in, the concepts of the time, and the associated literary and speech conventions of the day; most folks stand somewhere between those extremes. You can see where different people with different degrees of knowledge and understanding might read the same passage and come up with wildly different interpretations of what it says and means.
My guess is that he didn't have a middle or last name in the sense that we do.
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6297J
Guest
Jesus son of Mary 'yeah, right' the Virgin
Snuffy
Happiness Consultant
Actually, the Hebrew/Israeli family system was patriarchial not matriarchial, therefore Jesus would be identified more properly with his "father" (presumed and in this case "step father").
Thats right! I lived for many Years in Israel and the West Bank! The thing is, and it is still in these Days that you relate your Name mostly with your Fathers Name. Something like Jesus, Son of ......!
Almost the same we used for Arafat ! Noone said Jassir Arafat, we said Abu Khalil, what means Father of Hebron. I have tonns of Friends and i never said a familiy name, even they have on. It's always relatet to the Father
Example: Shlomo Aba David
His Name: Shlomo
Father (Aba): David
But back to the question!
There are a few names used for jesus:
-Jesus of Nazareth
-Jesus Son of David (King David)
-Jesus Abu Josef
For me, the begining and the end, the one and only, King of Kings, my Dady!
Henry
Retired SOH Administrator
you are correct in both sentences
love the first
and the second could be
true of what could happen in this thread
religion is like politics
many have strong views
with respect to all
do not let this go astray please
H
Toastmaker
Charter Member 2016
I agree that at the time, he would have been identified or presented as "Jesus of Nazareth".
Francois
FS Veteran
lifejogger
Lost in Texas
If I am correct, in the old days, say about 100 years ago and more, (perhaps 200 or more), your middle name was actually called your 'Christian' name. This was from your Baptism.
When you are baptised, you are reborn, born into the Holy Spirit. Jesus would often rename his followers (Desciples). For instance, Sol became Paul. So ones middle name was his 'Christian' name.
Jesus in Hebrew is acutally Joshua. It has changed (for the English speakers) over the years, but basically, you would actually say 'Jesus' as Yi-shoo-ah' which is the Hebrew pronounciation of Jesus or Joshua.
But, remember, when He, the King of Kings was born as a human, was also called Immanuel which in a single name or word or meaning which is 'God With Us'.
So, I if this were a test, and the question was what His middle name was, I would say Immanuel.
Now, His title became Messiah, which was prewritten hundreds of years before in prophetic scripture, the coming of a great Messiah (pronounced Mi-Schich-ah in Hebrew). But that is a title, and was hidden from the people until after the Lamb was saccrificed.
NOTE: On some British applications and forms, they request your 'Christian' name which is your middle name.
Bill
When you are baptised, you are reborn, born into the Holy Spirit. Jesus would often rename his followers (Desciples). For instance, Sol became Paul. So ones middle name was his 'Christian' name.
Jesus in Hebrew is acutally Joshua. It has changed (for the English speakers) over the years, but basically, you would actually say 'Jesus' as Yi-shoo-ah' which is the Hebrew pronounciation of Jesus or Joshua.
But, remember, when He, the King of Kings was born as a human, was also called Immanuel which in a single name or word or meaning which is 'God With Us'.
So, I if this were a test, and the question was what His middle name was, I would say Immanuel.
Now, His title became Messiah, which was prewritten hundreds of years before in prophetic scripture, the coming of a great Messiah (pronounced Mi-Schich-ah in Hebrew). But that is a title, and was hidden from the people until after the Lamb was saccrificed.
NOTE: On some British applications and forms, they request your 'Christian' name which is your middle name.
Bill
Henry
Retired SOH Administrator
my Christian name is Michael but my Middle name is Henry
where did you get that info from?
and i am British
<table id="wn"><tbody><tr><td valign="top">Noun</td><td valign="top">1.</td><td>Christian name - the first name given to Christians at birth or christeningbaptismal name
first name, forename, given name - the name that precedes the surname
</td></tr></tbody></table>
H
Henry
Retired SOH Administrator
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6297J
Guest
I have a first, middle and last name. There is nothing at all Christian about me 
I have a first, middle and last name. There is nothing at all Christian about me
I am in the same boat!
you are correct in both sentences
love the first
and the second could be
true of what could happen in this thread
religion is like politics
many have strong views
with respect to all
do not let this go astray please
H
Who´s talking religion??? this is about a man´s name!!!!! do not confuse things here.......
