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MilViz F-15E or IRIS F-15?

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Hi Dougal

Hope this helps. If you want a bigger image then download here ..... http://www.mediafire.com/?3wla9am7avd83s6
I actually enjoyed flying both to do the pics - its so hard to pic a favourite.

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Excually i didn't even wanted to post because of this little childrens bull****e.........but i prefer the Iris F-15E because it looks way better.......

And the eye point/head point in the MILVIZ VC is irritating.....

Hey Barnes could you show us a comparison with the VC in dusk and the interior lights on ...not to mention the backseat......thanks!
 
TAFKAM said:
Excually i didn't even wanted to post because of this little childrens bull****e.........but i prefer the Iris F-15E because it looks way better.......

And the eye point/head point in the MILVIZ VC is irritating.....

Hey Barnes could you show us a comparison with the VC in dusk and the interior lights on ...not to mention the backseat......thanks!
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Hi

Thank you for lowering yourself to this level of bull****e!!

As Milviz are in the middle of their fix - i feel that it would be unfair to show lighting. As i have said on other iris F15 threads, i think Iris have done a superb job on the light effects - better than the Aerosoft F16 IMHO.
 
yeah sometimes you have to go with tha flow....... also for these kinda topics.....but lets keep it on F-15's instead of F-16.....

but even though its before release of their SP I still like to see that comparison.....and let other people be the judge of that instead of the squad of the "M"club...
 
TAFKAM said:
Excually i didn't even wanted to post because of this little childrens bull****e.........but i prefer the Iris F-15E because it looks way better.......

And the eye point/head point in the MILVIZ VC is irritating.....

Hey Barnes could you show us a comparison with the VC in dusk and the interior lights on ...not to mention the backseat......thanks!
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How many F-15E's have you sat in? In all honesty, the eye point of the Iris F-15E makes it look like a 2D cockpit.
 
This is interesting. I never lined up the first external comparison correctly so the versions were not seen at exactly the same angle.

I have taken more time to get the camera angle much the same for both at the same distance. Its now harder to tell the difference.

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Cool it Diego. One thing (and this is partially eyepoint related) that IRIS did get right is the viewable area of the HUD. Ours is off by about 1.5-3 degrees vertically. KC and I are looking for ways to fix that.
 
TAFKAM said:
and let other people be the judge of that instead of the squad of the "M"club...
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Where is the "I" club? No one is stopping them from joining in. I must repeat that I am genuinely am happy to fly both and pleased with the investment and to support both devs. I believe the F15 to be Iris's finest yet.
 
MenendezDiego said:
How many F-15E's have you sat in? In all honesty, the eye point of the Iris F-15E makes it look like a 2D cockpit. Anyone who has ever sat in an F-15E, especially with gear (i.e. sitting on a friggrn chute) knows that the Iris eye point is completely unrealistic.

Plus, if you don't like the eye point...CHANGE IT IN THE CFG OR ON THE FLY! That's what I had to do with the Iris bird.

Exactly how much real world experience do you have? Because you've done a lot of bitching over this eye point thing, even going as far as attacking me in a thread I MADE to support the Iris Eagle.

I am seconds away from never touching this stupid sim ever again, and it's because of people like you
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Well excually the eye view of the VC of Iris is indeed REALISTIC! and how many times i sat in a F-15 i could say a 100 times but you wont even believe it....
By the way if you are capable to buy a TrackIR these views dont look like 2D... and you want me to buy a product and then have to change it all by myselfe?...in that case i want a better price for it because i have to finish a job they couldn't do...

And my real world experience is something that doesnt concern to you....
So you are seconds away of never touching this sim again...what, are you gonna play the poor boy/victim here, like i give a damn if your not gonna play it again....... Im just not gonna fly the MILVIZ F-15E period....
 
I agree

Barnes said:
Where is the "I" club? No one is stopping them from joining in. I must repeat that I am genuinely am happy to fly both and pleased with the investment and to support both devs. I believe the F15 to be Iris's finest yet.
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Though I don't get the club reference, certainly agree with you Barnes.
 
Barnes....speaking as someone who would like to believe that he is part of the "i support iris" or the "I" squad I will say two things:

1. There have been a number of jabs thrown at the IRIS aircraft by folks who are very visible in the "M" squads thread as huge supporters of thier jet

2. As a member of the socalled "I" squad I take pride in knowing that I will not go to that forum/thread or anything to put down another product. As a matter of fact I am even considering getting the "M" squad jet myself just because I'm a nut like you are about buying new planes, but I won't do it until I know all the bugs of the release have been worked out.


You don't know how happy I was to be able to buy the IRIS bird, install it and be able to fly it, even if I did burn both engines out on my first burner pass!


:salute:
 
TAFKAM said:
and you want me to buy a product and then have to change it all by myselfe?...in that case i want a better price for it because i have to finish a job they couldn't do...
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That's really a silly thing to say...

You do know that every pilot has to adjust their seat in the real, multi-million dollar aircraft, right? Why then would you think that you should not have to "adjust your seat" in a sim model?

Everyone has a slightly different preference for the eyepoint, so it is flatly impossible to satisfy everyone...

...which is of course why MS provided the keycommand sequences to "adjust the seat..."
 
TAFKAM said:
Im just not gonna fly the MILVIZ F-15E period....
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Your loss. Both jets have their strengths and weaknesses. As a developer on the Milviz jet I have been honest about the milviz weaknesses and have only spoken of the IRIS jet's strengths. Its up to you what you want to focus on. If i were to take a look at the weaknesses of the milviz jet from the point of a typical flightsimmer and not as a developer I would say either one is fun and the minor bugs in the milviz jet are seriously not game breakers.

And @skyhawka4m, the nasty snides have actually gone both ways. So....i think this fight of M vs I is really going to end either in a impasse or people are going to devour eachother. Guys, stop trying drive for someone who is in a moment of indecision to "join MY club and MY club ALONE". Post what you think is good and bad about your favourite. This goes for both sides. Then let the guy who cant decide choose what he wants based on his style of simming be it visuals, systems, or whatever balance to either side he wants.
 
n4gix said:
That's really a silly thing to say...

You do know that every pilot has to adjust their seat in the real, multi-million dollar aircraft, right? Why then would you think that you should not have to "adjust your seat" in a sim model?

Everyone has a slightly different preference for the eyepoint, so it is flatly impossible to satisfy everyone...

...which is of course why MS provided the keycommand sequences to "adjust the seat..."
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You could have taken the words from my mouth Bill. I think some folk have 'nowt' better to do though:icon_lol:
 
Thanks to Milviz and Iris for providing us two great F-15E's to fly. I purchased both and am really glad I did. Always been an F-15 fan so when they became available both were a must. Both products have many of the same great features. Each has some areas that they excel in. This is why I purchase both. Both have great support and if people can swing it get both. If you can't get both flip a coin because both are fantastic.
 
This tread is actually healthy as no one is really having a go at the product they dont favour - but heralding their chosen product.


I feel as I own both I can highlight what is great about them and long may IRIS and Milviz continue to give us the "problem" of choice!! :salute:
 
TAFKAM said:
Excually i didn't even wanted to post because of this little childrens bull****e.........but i prefer the Iris F-15E because it looks way better.......

And the eye point/head point in the MILVIZ VC is irritating.....

Hey Barnes could you show us a comparison with the VC in dusk and the interior lights on ...not to mention the backseat......thanks!
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Wow, thats a mature response?.

Why is it we can never have a sensible dialogue that compares A with B these days?
 
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