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Milviz F-4E Phantom II

hschuit said:
Well, let's hope that is the case... When several people asked them on FB to check/fix the shape of the canopy (too big) and nose (too narrow) the answer was negative. Just compare the Milviz model with the one from Cloud9 (which looks like the real Phantom) and you should see the difference.
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I'm not the official spokesman for Milviz by any means, but, on the Beta forums Colin has told us the canopy issue has been fixed. It will be on the first beta model. So far all you've seen is an Alpha model, and if the F-4 is anything like the other models produced by Milviz, there will be at least 15 generations of beta models.
 
Bone said:
I'm not the official spokesman for Milviz by any means, but, on the Beta forums Colin has told us the canopy issue has been fixed. It will be on the first beta model. So far all you've seen is an Alpha model, and if the F-4 is anything like the other models produced by Milviz, there will be at least 15 generations of beta models.
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Thanks for the HU, looking forward to the beta screenshots!
 
bully707 said:
Vincent...why don't you perform your Magic on it again...?
Your repaints are excellent and will surly be the cherry on the topping...
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Thanks. I wish I had the time for that, but unfortunately I don't. Luckily there are enough talented painters out there :)
mirage, I'll send an PM.
 
Navy!

(from FB)
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henrystreet said:
not sure which variant the posters were discussing when there were questions about the nose and canopy....this screenshot is pretty squarely a juliett. the cloud9 is a delta.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:F-4J_VF-21_on_cat_USS_Ranger_(CV-61).jpg
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Erm .. the C9 version is an E ... anyway ....

The discussion was not around which variants - it was around

1) the size/height/projection of the canopy relative to the size of the aircraft, and
2) the width/profile of the nose

This was all prior to the revelation that there would be any model apart from the E, so all of that was in relation to how it was perceived the E had been modeled.

For what it's worth, while I never did quite see the issue around point 2), I certainly did see where some of the concern around point 1). To wit, the "J" model pictured here seems to exhibit a rather pronounced size of canopy relative to the size of the aircraft. I'll give Milviz the benefit of the doubt that it's either my eyes - or that it's still WIP. It's obnoxious berating devs when they preview their work, so I'll clarify it's only "an observation".

I should say, I'm very stoked at the prospect of a naval F-4. The R would have been nice, but a J will get lots of mileage in realistic USN, USMC, RAF schemes - and by squinting a bit, as a fictional stand-in for any of the earlier "big-nose" (B,C,D,N,S) operators - USN, USMC, USAF, RN FAA, Iran, and Spain. So - good on you for recognizing that potential.

Something else for the Milviz team to consider - formation lights. I can't tell if they're modeled ("cut in") or painted on from the screenshot. If they're painted, well, that's easy enough to fix. If they're modeled, then there's a bit of an accuracy problem. The J never came with them from the factory (produced from '66 to about '72). Only when the F-4S upgrades came about (early 80s) did these get retrofitted at NARF North Island.

So to model them in would make for a very restrictive realism period (the mid 80s) - as where I believe the big naval/big nose Phantom interest lies spans a broader period - really from the B of the early 60s, through the Viet Nam war, through the colourful 70s, and then through to the end of the Phantom's active life.

So my suggestion would be one of either

1) offer a true "J" model only - no formation lights
2) offer both the J (no lights) and an S - with the lights, as shown above. The advantage of that is you've already done the work (if indeed already cut), and now you have a platform for not only the very late period USN/USMC TPS (tactical paint scheme) repaints - but also for any of the later period RAF repaints that may materialize.

My premise is that there's commercial value to Milviz to accommodate a wide appeal/repaint potential - hence why the E was the initial model - so theoretically, by taking into account this recommendation, you're covering (to various degrees of accuracy) the entire breadth of the Phantom line with the obvious exception of the RF and Spey-engined FG models.

Thoughts?

DL

PS - the reheat/AB petals, as well as the metalwork in behind looks absolutely stunning. Bravo!
 
I would say that general appearance wise that looks bang on... I'll take one of those thank you:jump:

It just great to see an FSX Native Phantom finally coming together... long over due.

Matt
 
I've been cleared to comment on a few things. The new J model is being converted from an early stage alpha of the E model. The form lights, strut compression, blow out flaps, ect, ect are all known and getting fixed. They are top notch researchers at Milviz, so fear not. The VC's, however, are not going to be converted to USN standard. The cost and time to do so is prohibitive. If you can get Milviz on the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation charity list, then it will be possible. Otherwise, they can't afford to build it.

TacPac integration is going to be a priority, but keep in mind FS coders are at a premium, and they all have multiple projects running concurrently. These people are freelance contractors, and are in high demand.

If you're not on Facebook, it has been announced that the F-4 will probably go into open beta soon. The details are being worked out, but essentially you'll get a price discount, receive each generation of beta models, and can help forge quality. As it is now, in the alpha state, the model is awesome. Bernt Stolle has built the FDE in association with real world USAF RF-4C and GAF F-4F pilots. It fly's brilliantly.

EDIT: I'm waiting on info about a paint kit, because I'm sure Zsolt is going to ask :)
 
Hello Bone,

Great update regarding the models. Insofar as a "shared" VC - while the purists may abhor it - I think it's a perfectly sensible way to give a much greater breadth (than just an E) without the enormous amount of gauge and coding to make another specific to the B,J,N,S, etc. I'll happily buy it on that premise - assuming pricing is reasonable.

Great progress on this - and thanks for the update here vs just Facebook.


Cheers,

DL

PS - can you see the wings from the VC? :running: A very old inside joke - my way of laughing off the old bygones :ernaehrung004:
 
Haha, good one, Delta Lima, thanks for throwing that in. :) Yes, you can see all of the exterior if you have TrackIR, and don't mind leaning out the open canopy.

Paint kit is ready, too.
 
Btw.

Nice idea, see this:

"We will be releasing the F-4E J/S external models this week along with the paint kit.

This is for repainters only.

The plane will fly like a Cessna and have no VC

It will be free of charge."
 
YoYo said:
Btw.

Nice idea, see this:

"We will be releasing the F-4E J/S external models this week along with the paint kit.

This is for repainters only.

The plane will fly like a Cessna and have no VC

It will be free of charge."
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That's a nice gesture, so many many paints and schemes , as this is going to a huge success maybe asking a little to much at a later stage .... having an IR sensor on the built on the nose to cover the B to Ds :angel:
 
mirage3 said:
Hi bone! do you have the painkit? do you can send me it via mail: abiertrunzer@gmail.com?
please send me it
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Hi Mirage3. The exterior models and paint kit will be available very soon, free of charge. Since it's free, the VC's and FDE will not available just yet. Krazycolin (resident big cheese & chooser of planes) is releasing these items to all the repainters. If you check the Military Visualizations Facebook page in the next few days, you will learn how to get it. If you don't have a Facebook account, no worries, just go to the Facebook URL and type Military Visualizations into the search box.

Happy painting :)
 
Bone said:
Hi Mirage3. The exterior models and paint kit will be available very soon, free of charge. Since it's free, the VC's and FDE will not available just yet. Krazycolin (resident big cheese & chooser of planes) is releasing these items to all the repainters. If you check the Military Visualizations Facebook page in the next few days, you will learn how to get it. If you don't have a Facebook account, no worries, just go to the Facebook URL and type Military Visualizations into the search box.

Happy painting :)
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Looking forward to painting
 
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