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Milviz F-4E Phantom II

I'm just back from a holiday in Kefalonia. The Hellenic Air Force assaulted our ear drums daily with their very noisy Phantoms. Sometimes low down over the sea, and sometimes very high above us. I'm not complaining, in fact I used to look forward to seeing them. Not something we can see in the UK these days.

:encouragement:
 
Katoun said:
The J/S were, as far as we're concerned, pretty much the same plane with minor differences.

Either way, it's the one we're doing.

Thank you.
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"S" and/or "J"?

To quote an Australian seagull - "MINE!"
We'll be able to use the "S" VC with the "J" external.

Dave
 
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511Flyer said:
I'm just back from a holiday in Kefalonia. The Hellenic Air Force assaulted our ear drums daily with their very noisy Phantoms. Sometimes low down over the sea, and sometimes very high above us. I'm not complaining, in fact I used to look forward to seeing them. Not something we can see in the UK these days.

:encouragement:
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One of the benefits of vacations on the Greek islands!

Kefalonia is close to the remaining Phantoms' lair, Andravida AB. This is also home to what is called "Weapons and Tactics School" something like the Hellenic Top Gun where the best of each squadron are trained in dissimilar ACM.
 
delta_lima said:
Likely because they are part of the naval model(s) release, which to my knowledge, is still under development.

I'm guessing here, but likely due largely to TacPac, something only a fraction of the relevant sim population even cares about, or would "demand" as part of the initial release .... :mixed-smiley-010:... because they've said the exterior model is finished, an E VC is swappable ... Instead, those of us making clear business case for more models with shared VCs, and staging so that modules like TacPac can be added incrementally - get pilloried and ridiculed for making so-called "demands". Well, it ain't me "demanding" TacPac, and the attendant nightmare of development that it requires, that's for sure ...

Component-based software development, folks ... win, win - there's no virtue in doing it harder than it needs to be ...

dl
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Agree 100%

Actually....of recent it is a required thing in order to change load outs for some new planes and has turned me away from buying those items. I'm not in FSX to mame and kill...I'm in it to fly and have fun. Varied load outs are nice to have and being stuck with one loadout because we don't own TACPAC kinda sucks.
 
While it's easy to advise Milviz on what they need to do to make sales, your average person here doesn't have access to all of the data. As well as having done market analysis, Milviz is putting a lot of effort into the F-4 to make it as real as possible. They have many people working on it, and they're pretty much swamped. Every request for something more than what Milviz initially stated in the F-4E announcement, adds a lot of extra work to the project. Milviz has indeed responded to many additional requests, and the workload in the project has gone to an extreme level. They're jumping through their butts over there trying to get it real.
 
I have no idea how many people want TacPac compatibility, but I am very glad that more and more planes have it. Considering you can use TacPac on many planes the investment in it is limited. I am sure MilViz and others consider the market carefully before they decide where to invest in. No matter how many models they release, people will always ask for more. I’d rather see investment in TacPac than in more models. I can’t even see the external difference between a –J and an –S and I don’t bother to find out. Perhaps I am the only one, perhaps I am one of the many. It often surprises me how much attention is devoted to external appearance of planes in the SOH forums relative to systems, flight dynamics etc. Is that an indication of the preferences of simmers, or are those for whom externals are important just very vocal?<o:p></o:p>
 
skyhawka4m said:
Agree 100%

Actually....of recent it is a required thing in order to change load outs for some new planes and has turned me away from buying those items. I'm not in FSX to mame and kill...I'm in it to fly and have fun. Varied load outs are nice to have and being stuck with one loadout because we don't own TACPAC kinda sucks.
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This choice is respected as well. The Loadout manager is TACPACK agnostic. Doesn't require it in order to work. The same for the jettison system which is almost complete in dev at the moment. Both selective jettison and emergency jettison are working.
 
Looking to get/find/download the VMFA-451 Marines F-4J. Anybody know the status or availability of it??

Thanks.

(why did the thread die off.....??)

Skyhawk18... you there??
 
Marine0326 said:
Looking to get/find/download the VMFA-451 Marines F-4J. Anybody know the status or availability of it??

Thanks.

(why did the thread die off.....??)

Skyhawk18... you there??
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I am :encouragement:...

It is finished.
I just have to write the installation guide and upload it.... :crushed:

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Gene K said:
Definitely Yes! Too bad all those other beautiful paints are marred by the terribly misaligned holes on the intake ramps plates. :banghead:

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Gene K
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The misaligned holes have been corrected on all my liveries. The first screenshot (VMFA-451) is an old one, and it was made before the holes were corrected.
I think the latest paint kit is updated with correct hole alignment. ;)
 
Good find Skyhawk18, Most all my paints of the Milviz F-4 were made over a year ago with the old paint kit. I will also update all my paints with the new correct intake holes. The new paint kit appears to be correct.

Thanks for the heads up.:encouragement:
 
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Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong, but on the "J" isn't the static port and AOA probe on the wrong side? All the photos I have show these instrumentations on the "Port" side but the MV "J" has then on the starboard side. I could be wrong so someone please verify.

There is no bump file for texture 12, so it will be easy to correct the panel lines for these areas.

Sorry for "counting rivets" but the panel door and instructional stencils don't work if this isn't corrected.

Thanks
 
Duckie said:
Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong, but on the "J" isn't the static port and AOA probe on the wrong side? All the photos I have show these instrumentations on the "Port" side but the MV "J" has then on the starboard side. I could be wrong so someone please verify.

There is no bump file for texture 12, so it will be easy to correct the panel lines for these areas.

Sorry for "counting rivets" but the panel door and instructional stencils don't work if this isn't corrected.

Thanks
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Well, Milviz basically made the F-4E.
The F-4J is a hybrid and was made on request (as a gest) using a lot of the "E" material.
Therefore the "J" may be inaccurate.

You will find the static port on the port side of my "J" liveries (it is painted on the nose cone).
The probe has to be modeled to the port side :wink-new:
 
Thanks SH18, understand hybrid and the associated inaccuracies. Just wanted a 2nd look before I started ne panel lines.
 
Duckie said:
Sorry for "counting rivets" ....
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I absolutely HATE it when folks think they have to apologize for pointing out inaccuracies/omissions/oversights, major or minor (as classified by the reader ... who ultimately decides what to do with the information provided). In that regard, I certainly appreciate the marvelous repaints from folks like Duckie and Skyhawk who obviously do their homework - THANK YOU!) At the same time, of course, I appreciate the Milvaz "port over" to the J model and understand the compromise decisions involved.

In that spirit, here are some other external differences between the E and J models that repainters may be able to incorporate:

-- The J has a long refueling door on the right side of the airplane below the pilot's position that houses a boom. It does not have the door on the fuselage spine as the E does.
-- The J has trunion" bumps" on top of the wings at the location of the gear struts.
-- The J does not have triangular reinforcing plates on the top of the stabs
-- The J has catapult hooks under the fuselage
-- The J has a different nose gear door light arrangement

Some items that the repainters can't model include:
-- The J did not have slats ... the Navy S model is a J with slats so in that regard, I think the Milviz J is closer to an S, so hope to see S repaints too. (USN slats slightly different than USAF slats)
-- The J model pylons need weapons adapters (that are built into the E model pylons)

As I said above, I know that the Milviz folks have Phantom experts on staff/call who are undoubtedly aware of the above ... and more. My comments are directed to repainters.

Gene K
 
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