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Milviz F-86

DagR said:
I try once more, will there be a model with the -40 long slatted wing as used by the JASDF and retrofitted to many others like for instance the RNoAF?
Many countries also modified theirs (Luftwaffe/RNoAF) with Martin Baker Mk.5 seats but this involved modifying the canopy rail so that it slopes upwards when the canopy rolls past and clears the seat top. Can this be done ?

PS: Vc looks superb but the torn arm rests are a bit over the top, don't you think...... ?

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DagR
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Since no one else has answered your question, I'll respond, but I'm just a beta tester. Colin hasn't said anything so far about retrofitting this model to reflect the standard of numerous foriegn air forces. He may, but right now his modelling and coding team has had their hands full with one version.

As far as arm rests being a little over the top, even airliners get torn up arm rests. Of course we write them up when they get really torn up, but sometimes we just go ahead and keep flying with them that way if getting them replaced is going to take too long and jack up the schedule, or we may not even be at a maintenance hub that even has a new arm rest. Then we'll write them up at a more opportunistic time.

I do agree with you that the torn arm rest texturing should be toned down, though. Worn is OK, but the really torn up look doesn't translate well in fs models (my opinion, not Milviz official by any means).
 
Torn armrests...

....I saw that too-- it's almost like the F-86 has been made into a testbed for effects. I didn't get too upset over the armrests and the other items-- perhaps we can get some of the cockpit details included in a paint kit so that we can tone things down as desired? Or perhaps just give us a set of cockpit textures that are new....

Just a thought-- cause the airplane looks good-- like everything else you guys have put out...

Kent

P.S. Too bad they didn't use baggage pods in those days!!!!! (Snicker)
 
Roadburner440 said:
I think you guys would be surprised at how some war time aircraft look. Especially in these current budgetary times. Pilot/aircrew comfort items are the last thing on the list of important parts to order. Granted I think before that arm rest got that bad someone would have taken it to the paraloft shop and had a piece of leather sewn over the initial tear, but that is besides the point. :icon_lol:
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Pilot comfort and safety is a number one priority in a modern air arm, anything else is rubbish. You do not send people to war unless they have the best possible gear, at least that's the philosophy of our air force. But that is besides the point.


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DagR
 
Bone said:
Since no one else has answered your question, I'll respond, but I'm just a beta tester. Colin hasn't said anything so far about retrofitting this model to reflect the standard of numerous foriegn air forces. He may, but right now his modelling and coding team has had their hands full with one version.

As far as arm rests being a little over the top, even airliners get torn up arm rests. Of course we write them up when they get really torn up, but sometimes we just go ahead and keep flying with them that way if getting them replaced is going to take too long and jack up the schedule, or we may not even be at a maintenance hub that even has a new arm rest. Then we'll write them up at a more opportunistic time.

I do agree with you that the torn arm rest texturing should be toned down, though. Worn is OK, but the really torn up look doesn't translate well in fs models (my opinion, not Milviz official by any means).
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Roger that, fully understood ;-) Thanks and do not get me wrong, the aircraft inside and out looks superb !


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DagR
 
Dag...

....aircrew comfort--that couldn't POSSIBLY be true in the RoNAF-- they retired the F-5s from frontline service!!!! (REALLY miss RoNAF F-5Bs in particular...).

I have a book "Tiger Meet" and it is about the 1985 Tiger Meet at Kliene Brogel...beautiful RoNAF F-5B-- and Tiger helmet to match! Any AF that flew F-104s and F-5s can't be bad!

K
 
The sabre looks great!

This is knida off topic, but since we're on sabres may as well ask. Would you guys consider doing an FJ-4 Fury?

-jp
 
I think this model sets a new standard for detail and will certainly buy it.<o:p></o:p>
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One thing struck me: is the windshield frame not a bit too ‘flat’, i.e. elliptic instead of circular? I can imagine that the frame is a bit flattened at the top, but in photo’s I have seen it definitely looks more circular. A good photo is on page 3 of Aviation Classics Volume 9 (published in 2011) which is dedicated to the Sabre. I have only the digital edition so I cannot reproduce the photo here.<o:p></o:p>
Of course, it could also be the perspective from which the screenshots are taken. By the way: he fact that the windshield frame does not make a 90 degree angle with the fuselage (so that the canopy ‘bulges outwards’ a bit) is quite good, as far as I know.
 
ARMRESTS

A quote from Krazycolin on the Milviz Beta Testers Forum:

''we will "fix" the armrest...''


I just want to take the time to say something about Krazycolin. He's not just a great model builder, he's a great guy at running a team. The Beta Testers Forum is an awesome place to interact, especially when everyone is in the groove on a model. It flows really well, Colin is a great facilitator, and he LISTENS to people. I hope you guys will always keep that in mind when you see something that you don't like on an early stage and rough version model.
 
The Air Force spends its money on its people first, and then asks for more to fix its aircraft. :icon_lol: I can assure you it in no way shape or form works like that in the US Navy. We fix aircraft first, and then anything that is left in the budget I can order seat cushions, arm rests, etc.. If it doesn't fall into the downing discrepancy, or partial mission capable discrepancy category then it usually is not considered important.
 
Roadburner440 said:
The Air Force spends its money on its people first, and then asks for more to fix its aircraft. :icon_lol: I can assure you it in no way shape or form works like that in the US Navy. We fix aircraft first, and then anything that is left in the budget I can order seat cushions, arm rests, etc.. If it doesn't fall into the downing discrepancy, or partial mission capable discrepancy category then it usually is not considered important.
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It's funny, the USAF guys always say that the USN spends it's money on golf couses and recreation/club facilities first, and then the other stuff. However it REALLY works, I know that most USAF planes are kept quite immaculate. Some appear to be so clean you could eat food from the landing gear and wheel hubs...and I'm not talking about the planes they send out to air shows, either. There are always going to be those planes that on occasion are the exception to the rule, though.
 
hairyspin said:
...And I'll bite, FSX screenshots please!
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Okay, I read on in the linked thread and found them. :jump: I must concur about the burst cushioning, completely spoils a fine model, not enough frayed threads hanging from it, shocking lack of care of a vital aircraft, blah blah blah blah. :a1451: :mix-smi:

My compliments to Colin, Dmitry and the team, superb effort!
 
jp said:
The sabre looks great!

This is knida off topic, but since we're on sabres may as well ask. Would you guys consider doing an FJ-4 Fury?

-jp
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Great idea . . Haven't seen a fj for a long while.

The sabre looks terrific. The only thing missing are footprints on the wing from maintenance guys walking around.
 
Very, very stoked to finally see a native F-86 for FSX. I flew the heck out of SectionF8's F-86E and I'm very pleased to see a hard edged 6-3 wing version will be available soon. :jump:

Congrats to the team for a great modelling and texturing, that's some of the nicest natural metal effects I've seen.

Now, I don't want to look a gift horse in the mouth, but I have been accused of being a rivet counter in the past ;)

My Dad flew Sabres so I've been sort of surrounded by them in the form of pictures and books etc, for most of my life. There are a few minor things that stand out to me, again, this is not bashing but just honest observations.

If you look at the photo of the Sabre posted above by Bomber_12th, you'll notice the gun blast pane and gunports are a little off. The upper gun port on the model is too far forward, note it should only extend to about the halfway point of the blast pane. The shape of the blast pane needs to be adjusted, it's too squished under the lowest gun port and should be more rectangular. Probably not a big deal as the repaint artist could change the lines and normal map to reflect that.

Wing fences look a bit too high? Pitot tube a bit long?

I'm writing this on my phone so sorry for lack of photos to back this up.

VC: Stunning. A work of art, the best I've seen in a FSX cockpit.

My Dad has a B-8 stick grip and a throttle grip from the Sabre, I think the ones in the VC are slightly off, the throttle especially. The throttle grip is actually almost triangular in shape at the top, not a cylinder with a quarter arc attachment on it for the cage and mic buttons. The stick grip's handrest needs to extend outward from the grip a bit more and the grip itself is a bit too thick. Again, when I get home I can post some pics.

Please do NOT think I am bashing this aircraft, the Sabre has been a long favourite of mine and these small items are just things that jump out at me immediately. I am not a modeller, I have no idea how labour intensive it would be to make changes at this point in development. I only bring these points up as it means the difference between a great product and an outstanding one.

BTW, great job on the nose/intake. You've nailed it, and captured the aggressive shark-like look the Sabre is famous for, something SF8 didn't quite get right, especially the little radome.

I did a bunch of RCAF paints for the SF8 Sword and I'm looking forward to doing some Canadair Mk.5 paints for this one!

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I suggest a contest to win a free copy when its released.

The one who can come closest to the actual number of rivets used. My wildly off the top of my head guess.... 5284.
 
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