Milviz F-86F-30 Sabre - Released

[MenendezDiego]

Too many choices!

Now it's bed time for me, Diego

 

[jankees]

and I just got up, so let's add to the choices:

The Sabre of USMC exchange pilot Major John F. Bolt, already a WWII fighter ace, went on the become the only USMC jet ace as far as I know, shooting down 6 MiGs.

 

[ZsoltB]

Too many choices!

Now it's bed time for me, Diego

Great work!!!

When will it be available?
And where?

Thank you!

 

[YoYo]

What do You think about Flight Model of Sabre?

For me in most is ok but a little sensitive, if You will have more than 250 kts the nose starts shaking left, right. Not like in a jet but like in light aircraft, good to Carbon Cub but for 7000kg's military aircraft with powered by jet engine?
Its really difficult too fly stright ahead. This effect heppens too with no wind so FM for me is strange for jet aircraft with big engine power. For 400kts is ok, airplane can be oversteer but in whole a flight?


This oversteer for me is too mutch, like I see than in flight, the nose of F86 starts moving left,right, up and down in all flight, hope It will be a litte turn down in SP1, but what do think about FM?

 

[jankees]

I am having the same problem btw, mine is not stable at all.
I did install acceleration, but no effect on this yet

 

[andrea6811]

What do You think about Flight Model of Sabre?

For me in most is ok but a little sensitive, if You will have more than 250 kts the nose starts shaking left, right. Not like in a jet but like in light aircraft, good to Carbon Cub but for 7000kg's military aircraft with powered by jet engine?
Its really difficult too fly stright ahead. This effect heppens too with no wind so FM for me is strange for jet aircraft with big engine power. For 400kts is ok, airplane can be oversteer but in whole a flight?


This oversteer for me is too mutch, like I see than in flight, the nose of F86 starts moving left,right, up and down in all flight, hope It will be a litte turn down in SP1, but what do think about FM?

Same here. Checked also engine out ( flameout ) , aircraft won't decellerate . Other minor "issues" detected.


Andrea

 

[MenendezDiego]

I have emailed our FDE guru (bstolle) and asked that he come here and explain the FDE, as he can do it best.

Regards, Diego

 

[snow_white]

so how much would I be able to charge for this then?

Never paid for any repaints and dont intend to do it now, as long as there are brilliant repainters like Jan, I will eventually get those "exclusive offered one's", just a matter of time and some-one will do them anyway and most probably better..

and thanks again for sharing these marvelous paints Jan (for free), they are all brilliant..!

and every day there are new paints being upload all over the place.. what makes these "charged" repaints any better.. fact is you will see these same ones being done shortly in any case..

my 2 cents

 

[Barnes]

I have set full realism setting and find the Saber very stable - goes where you point it - unless your near stall speed.
Are people bothering to check their weight and balance?

Remember - the more authentic the flight model the more pro you need to be as a Pilot!!!!!!!!!!

 

[William Njurmi]

One of the finest virtual cockpits i' ve ever seen!

What comes to repaints, what if the repainters were rewarded free products for their efforts. They promote sales, you know.

 

[YoYo]

I have emailed our FDE guru (bstolle) and asked that he come here and explain the FDE, as he can do it best.

Regards, Diego

Ok,

Im suppose if military aircraft will be fly like this nobody wants to fly on her on the missions.
Simply too dengerous.
This effect will be nice than near speed 400 kts or more - here I agree at all but between 200-380 she need some "stable flight" not a big shake.
Thank You for reply.

Remember - the more authentic the flight model the more pro you need to be as a Pilot!!!!!!!!!!

I fly in real, never see this shake effect (on two persons trening jet too: http://www.collins.com.pl/pliki/goraszka_2010/pzl_ts-11_iskra_687_small.jpg ) or You maybe thik about test pilots , here agree.

 

[cortomalteseit]

Ok,

Im suppose if military aircraft will be fly like this nobody wants to fly on her on the missions.
Simply too dengerous.
This effect will be nice than near speed 400 kts or more - here I agree at all but between 200-380 she need some "stable flight" not a big shake.
Thank You for reply.



I fly in real, never see this shake effect (on two persons trening jet too) or You maybe thik about test pilots , here agree.

I agree, i have the same effect, and sometimes it seems too much for no wind conditions.
I hope too that SP1 will solve this issue.

 

[Thunderbolt]

All Paints have specular textures, only the Huff has not ?

Is not needed ?

 

[bstolle]

As long as you don't touch the rudder (and there's no reason to do so except during a crosswind landing) she's definitely stable above 250-300kts.
A few actual Jet Fighter pilots were involved in the FDE design during the whole design phase and the behaviour is very realistic. Furthermore at high weight 200kts is really slow and stability is reduced at that speed.
Noticable yaw instability (regardless of speed) only occurs at high AoA.
The F-86 is a very sensitive fighter and you have to fly her accordingly.
2 problems are contributing factors for this ostensible 'instability': a too narrow joystick deadzone (spiking) and that many ( even high quality) add on planes are way too stable and users simply got used to it.
Conclusion: there will be no change concerning the FDE in SP1

@YoYo
It's exactly the other way round IRL (and with the Milviz Sabre). The faster you go, the more stable she becomes.

 

[krazycolin]

One of the finest virtual cockpits i' ve ever seen!

What comes to repaints, what if the repainters were rewarded free products for their efforts. They promote sales, you know.

Initially, we did exactly that... But we found that some felt obliged to do paints and that ruined the fun.

So good idea in theory, not so in practice.

On the subject of the repaints, we will be offering them up shortly. It will more than likely be as a single pack at 10 bucks. Gunnar, our (fantastically amazing and gifted) painter has graciously offered the funds that he would have made to the company coffers. This will allow us, in part, to keep on keeping on, as it were.

And just an FYI to those who have said that our paint jobs are not so good... Not cool man. Not cool at all. A lot of time and effort went into making them look just so... When you say that, you disparage the work of one the sim's best repainters not to mention my personal friend..

We will not be adding any new load out options sadly. It would take a considerable amount of effort that is now being directed at other projects (f-15c, 737-200 etc)

For the SP, we have a rather short list of stuff to fix and we will try to get it out soon but no promises on an exact date.

on the subject of the FDE, we have noticed that more and more aircraft being released are actually too easy to fly. The Sabre, like the T-38, killed pilots who were not careful with its flight regime. We are trying very hard to bring that... difficulty back into the realm within which we fly.

I would like to mention that we are very happy that most of you seem to really like our jet... Thanks for the support...

 

[fleurdelys]

OOOppssss.....

I seem to have made an "OOOppssss...." in my haste to present my rendition of the RCAF IG-618...

After checking the "Red Enseign" tail flag from different sources, it would appear that the british George cross is not facing forward on both sides as most experts would have realized by now...

Please wait for the updated version which should be available soon (or if you really have to fly it now anyway, download it just the same and you will have an "OOOppssss" version to keep in your museum of oddities... ).

Cheers,

Fleurdelys

This is how it should look !

 

[jeansy]

All Paints have specular textures, only the Huff has not ?

Is not needed ?

It shares the spec maps from the main texture, you can check it out the texture.cfg to confirm this

 

[griphos]

Personally, I'm all for making the FDE as challenging as is realistic for the aircraft. I've enjoyed the challenge of getting to know this very different bird so far and learn her ways.

The only thing I've noticed that raised my eyebrows so far is that I had an engine out. Probably icing of some sort. It was at Yellowstone and it was snowy and cold. I've been reading the manual to try to figure it out. Anyway, after the engine out she slowed, but she also had a very long glide path. I could fly her just above 150 kts for quite a way without losing altitude rapidly. Kind of surprised me. Of course, I was busy looking for a place without trees to land and so wasn't attending too closely to vertical descent rates. Just that airspeed indicator!

i wonder what the glide path was on this heavy jet.

 

[krazycolin]

Icing on the engine will cause a flameout. You need to make sure that all three anti icing switches are on before (if possible) heading into icing conditions...

 

[bstolle]

i wonder what the glide path was on this heavy jet.

Without any strakes, pylons etc. the Sabre is an exceptionally clean aircraft. L/D ratio (15) is within 2-3% over the whole speedrange. Same goes for speedbrake, gear and flap drag.