Milviz F-86F-30 Sabre - Released

krazycolin said:
Icing on the engine will cause a flameout. You need to make sure that all three anti icing switches are on before (if possible) heading into icing conditions...
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Yeah, that's the kind of realism I was talking about. I like it. Just as with the A2A aircraft, you need to know how to manage the systems. I very much appreciate that one can't just hop in and go blasting around oblivious to correct operation.

With that in mind, though, I like the developer's manual. I've read it carefully. It could use a little less chattiness and a little more info on landing and specific considerations of management, though, such as what to watch out for to avoid the most likely flameouts (icing is briefly mentioned). Something like Realair puts in their manuals -- a section on the most important things to know operationally to keep the bird in the air. (And the pedant in me would like the couple of spelling errors corrected...such as "course tuning" should be "coarse tuning").

it really is a surprisingly simple aircraft, though. And just a beauty to look at and fun to fly.
 
Sabre has wings unlike its later successors. I wouldn' t be surprised if its glide ratio was around the same as passenger jets, + 1:10. Which is same as the primary gliders had in sabres youth.
 
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OK, I found the reason for my wobbly flights: the Z-rotation axis (rudder) on my X52 is constantly going left and right....now what?
 
krazycolin said:
Initially, we did exactly that... But we found that some felt obliged to do paints and that ruined the fun.

So good idea in theory, not so in practice.

On the subject of the repaints, we will be offering them up shortly. It will more than likely be as a single pack at 10 bucks. Gunnar, our (fantastically amazing and gifted) painter has graciously offered the funds that he would have made to the company coffers. This will allow us, in part, to keep on keeping on, as it were.

And just an FYI to those who have said that our paint jobs are not so good... Not cool man. Not cool at all. A lot of time and effort went into making them look just so... When you say that, you disparage the work of one the sim's best repainters not to mention my personal friend..

We will not be adding any new load out options sadly. It would take a considerable amount of effort that is now being directed at other projects (f-15c, 737-200 etc)

For the SP, we have a rather short list of stuff to fix and we will try to get it out soon but no promises on an exact date.

on the subject of the FDE, we have noticed that more and more aircraft being released are actually too easy to fly. The Sabre, like the T-38, killed pilots who were not careful with its flight regime. We are trying very hard to bring that... difficulty back into the realm within which we fly.

I would like to mention that we are very happy that most of you seem to really like our jet... Thanks for the support...
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Thanks Colin!

Look at the 10 bucks as a donation. No one is getting rich of this offer. But it will help Milviz to pay very skilled developers for making even better aircraft.
If you don't want to pay for the liveries, that's an honest case. And I have no problem accepting this. ;)
 
I want to follow up on a question I posed yesterday asking how the Saber compared to the T-38 as far as frame rates go. I pulled the trigger on the 86 last night and can confirm that if anything it is better than the T-38. (not that the T-38 is bad) I am very pleased with this aircraft.

My computer has been around since the beginning of FSX and it has been interesting to see how developers have come to grips with it. Add ons like the Saber are fantastic looking and are not brutal on frame rates.

On the side to side issue being described, I think the proper term is yaw.
I want to get some more time in it before I comment but I do want to point out that the F-86 like the early Boeing 707 and 727 were designed in a time where speed was the goal. They are designed to fly fast. They don't like to climb out at 250 knots, they are really only happy when they stretch their legs.
I noticed my first flight that I was climbing out at 250 knots, after looking at the charts in the Air Force manual it recommends 335 kts at sea level. My second and third flights were much smoother when I kept my climb out in the 300 kt range.
 
<object width="853" height="480">Just please to change for HD version.

Hope You like it.
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With regards to the FDE sensitivity, I was one of the beta team members who beat the hell out of the FDE and Bernt turned the wrenches on it over every possible detail we could study in the Flight Manuals and Pilot reports. While none of us on the beta team has flown a real F-86F-30, I feel the FDE covers the real Sabre's handling characteristics very well and more specifically the character of the 6-3 wing which has it's good points and negative points over the slatted wing. My late cousin Bob flew every USAF version of the Sabre except the H model and I remember him clearly stating that the Sabre was a Pilots Airplane but at the same time very sensitive to control inputs and a bit unstable,wobbly at low speed and increased AoA at all speeds. To add to the point Bernt made here about the weights, at full fuel both clean and especially with tanks the low speed stability is tricky at best and inputs and banking/maneuvering with very shallow control inputs/rates should be observed until the speed is "pushed up". Some users may have to adjust the controller sensitivity a bit as well as minor null zone adjustments if they are seeing the Sabre as too twitchy in normal level flight. I have been able to fly it almost hands off trimmed on several max range cross country flights. I use a Saitek X52 with my axis sensitivity at max but with a very small null zone set. I would say that if the Sabre feels to sensitive to back off the general flight realism slider a bit but that will dull down the finer points of the FDE.

Here's a great training film of the FJ Fury that may help explain the Sabre handling characteristics which may give some users a better understanding and help to master the Sabre FDE:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJ_l5-yqR94&feature=relmfu
 
Never a good idea to reduce the realism sliders, as the sim begins to remove aspects of the flight dynamics and takes away all of the hard work that went into the flight modeling.

Second point about glide ratios of airliners, far better than 10:1, more like 15-18:1 for the 747 that I fly. Even the 737 is nearly as good.

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MenendezDiego said:
I tested and was unable to replicate the stated issues.

For everyone, here is a video tutorial on how to deal with engine flameouts:
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I mean that when you have a engine flame out the aircraft won't loose speed.

Anyway no problem , i know the engine restart procedure after flameout and works fine.

Tks
 
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