must humble myself .... im in dire need for a good p51d ..... yes im asking --pls

[loverboy1]

must humble myself .... im in dire need for a good p51d ..... yes im asking --pls

never thought i , in canada , qoul dneed to ask for p51d .... im embrassed , but i cant seem to get it right ive tried the stock with upgrade , ive tried the avh ones ......ive tried mud ponds not bad

but the truth be told ......they suck


im sorry to report such ... and in such a style . so if someone can or will or able to send me an updated version of secret p51d that is in there hands ,


figure oneday donationware might make one for cfs3eto/etc...........


for now .....


im shamed but honest


lb/joshua



long live the masters of the air hint hint ..............hobbit lol

 

[Led Zeppelin]

what is the problem exactly? P51 was not a super weapon, it was a fighters like all others, with strengh and weaknesses.
AvH FM is really excellent, the only problem is CFS3 limitations such as aircraft behaviour at very high altitude.

 

[Stickshaker]

The Schockwave (A2A) payware P-51D is the best in my opinion. I don't know it it is still available. It was part of a package with some other aircraft. The best ting to do is to go to their website.

 

[NachtPiloten]

P51D

What is the problem? The p51's were sensitive to fuel loads so as I remember that there were some fixes. The P51 was never a great dog fighter it was great escort plane that was able to defend the bomber stream well. It was range range range that made it a great plane. The FW 190 would easliy match this plane, the problem was by the time the 51 was escorting the bombers the luftwaffe was a weaker fighting force. I for one never liked the 51 much, give me a spitfire, p47, or lightning.

 

[greycap.raf]

The P51 was never a great dog fighter it was great escort plane that was able to defend the bomber stream well. It was range range range that made it a great plane.

That's as close to the truth as it gets, it's just that the P-51 has some magical reputation about being the best at everything while in reality it wasn't the best at anything as far as I know. Late model Spitfires turned and climbed a lot better, Tempests left it in the dust what comes to straight line speed at low to medium altitudes, late model P-47s flew faster and further at higher altitudes, and just about anything had more firepower than a P-51.

Having said all that I personally consider a P-51B/C without the fuselage ferry tank to be the best American fighter, in that guise it's as light as a Merlin Mustang goes while retaining most of the range when drop tanks are carried. But it still has nothing on a Spitfire as a pure air combat fighter.

 

[hairyspin]

The Mustang had a number of strengths which were used to great advantage. Its range meant it could escort bombers from England to Berlin and back. It had the highest critical mach no. of all the US fighters, so was the least likely to lose control when bouncing Fw and Me fighters climbing to attack the bombers - classic boom 'n zoom fighting.

As the daylight bombing campaigns wore on, Mustangs were less likely to stick close to the 'boxes' of bombers but would range ahead of them, attacking enemy fighters on or lifting off from their airfields. With all the advantages of height, speed and sun they played havoc with the Luftwaffe.

These are the things that earned the P51 the "best offensive fighter" label it deserved, not its dogfighting ability. If that's what you want, the Mk.XIV Spitfire is still the European fighter of choice.

 

[loverboy1]

will try , funny was mentined i had recent loaded have not flown it yet


the issue is simple some outperfrom others based on trial and error in flight as fighter


will try this one :


i did fix up the mudponds a bit on guns, the avh are really whats left as what one has the stock is limited imho on duties in the air

a P-51B/C will slap her in the air and several styled air missions ...


tks for updated imformation .....will fly the babies with a new outlook

 

[Snaker]

I have also been looking for a better p-51d. Especially the vc. I found this one by Charlie - P51dcs.zip - here at SOH. It looks much better then stock. You will have to change to sound file as it alias the Just Flight payware spit. I simply changed sound to the stock p-51b and it worked great.

 

[HouseHobbit]

Hey LB, don't let then fool you..
The p-51 was the BEST prop Fighter of the war.. Period..

The Brits always brag about the spits here, but the videos I have from the British pilots tell a much different story..

The Spit was a Good plane the best the Brits had, But far from a Great fighter..

The Fw 190 kicked the Butts of the spits until the Mk IX came out, and it was designed to fight the FW 190..and about equal to the Fw 190 then..

And the Mustang, with the allison engines were much better then the merlin British engines..

As I said just because the folks here hate to admit it The Spit was a short legged, fragile fighter, Great against early Bf 109's but had lots to give up against other aircraft..

Why do you think the Americans took over the air war from the Brits.
The Brits didn't have a lot of dependable birds and what they had were easy to shoot down and hard to keep flying..
lots of work to keep a spit in the air because of electrical system problems..

The American fighters at the end of the war far outclassed the Brits..
As all Historians will tell you he P-51 was the best fighter produced in the war for the allies..

 

[loverboy1]

wow thats explosive, i never thought or knew . i mean i did realize the p51 was well received and served well ....top of line , but to be more than higher than the spitfire is astounding to me .


never know what ones learn on this board


lb/joshua

 

[popsaka]

...facts versus opinions... its been 70 odd years... who knows?........

LB, I think you'll find all Kerry Klements' Mustangs are brilliant...
...complete with Sparks' flight models,

...the F-6 photo-recon has always been a fave of mind for all around ease of handling...
And all his aircraft have great virtual cockpits...

 

[Rich]

:toilet::toilet:

Hey LB, don't let then fool you..
The p-51 was the BEST prop Fighter of the war.. Period..

The Brits always brag about the spits here, but the videos I have from the British pilots tell a much different story..

The Spit was a Good plane the best the Brits had, But far from a Great fighter..

The Fw 190 kicked the Butts of the spits until the Mk IX came out, and it was designed to fight the FW 190..and about equal to the Fw 190 then..

And the Mustang, with the allison engines were much better then the merlin British engines..

As I said just because the folks here hate to admit it The Spit was a short legged, fragile fighter, Great against early Bf 109's but had lots to give up against other aircraft..

Why do you think the Americans took over the air war from the Brits.
The Brits didn't have a lot of dependable birds and what they had were easy to shoot down and hard to keep flying..
lots of work to keep a spit in the air because of electrical system problems..

The American fighters at the end of the war far outclassed the Brits..
As all Historians will tell you he P-51 was the best fighter produced in the war for the allies..

 

[HouseHobbit]

Yea, you all going didn't I.

The Spit was a great plane, who can say it is not, is wrong..
But it was a short legged, limited fighting ability because of this and other problems..

I can honestly say that I like Spits, shoot them down often in My Fw 190's and Bf 109's..
Not a problem to do..

But also I know I can use them and shoot down the Fw 190s and Bf 109s when flown correctly..

Thank God, the AI in cfs3 is stupid and doesn't know the best way to fly anything..

 

[hairyspin]

CLANK CLANK CLANK someone's tryin' to pull my chain. That you again Owen?

 

[alain95]

Hello popsaka

...facts versus opinions... its been 70 odd years... who knows?........ LB, I think you'll find all Kerry Klements' Mustangs are brilliant...

...complete with Sparks' flight models,
...the F-6 photo-recon has always been a fave of mind for all around ease of handling...
And all his aircraft have great virtual cockpits...

I completely share you opinion on Kerry's stuff, and would like to know where I could find the Sparks'FM to make my opinion. :salute:
I will going on in making uploads with 8th AF Mustang birds and by the way asked Kerry for few modifications on his models, but unfortunately it's very difficult to join him.
I will be glad if you can have more information in that way.

Cheers
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[OldCrow]

One thing I've noticed over the years is...

The best fighter in WWII is usually the one that was flown by the pilot that you ask...
And If you ask an American bomber pilot or crewman, they always say the Mustang.

Another thing is It always seems that when you ask people like us, that the Mustang is either overhyped, or the exact opposite occurs.
The fact is, it out ranged, was comfortable to fly, and had as good of visibilty(in the D) than anything in WWII.
It could out dive, out roll, out run, had a higher service ceiling, and carry more ground attack ordanace than about 90% of the WWII prop planes.
It could out climb, out turn, out accelerate at least 50% of the WWII prop planes.

To me, it's no question it was the best plane of WWII, and could hold it's own in dogfights with most fighters. And most important, it seemed to be pretty easy for not-so-experienced pilots to be effective, probably the most important factor to a fighters success considering how quickly the turn over rate was for the various air forces as the war raged on.

 

[Led Zeppelin]

Owen, are you joking because we have just passed april 1st or are you really serious??!!

the Mk.XIV Spitfire is still the European fighter of choice.

I'm not so sure, I've read an article about Spitfires and MkXIV was far from being perfect.

Don't know what was the 'best' prop fighter in 1945. Maybe Tempest MkII because it didn't had all engines problems the MkV had but it arrived too late to see action in the ETO.

For aircrafts in service in may 1945, it is difficult to say. Ta152 and Tempest MkV are good pretenders.

 

[HouseHobbit]

Owen, are you joking because we have just passed april 1st or are you really serious??!!



I'm not so sure, I've read an article about Spitfires and MkXIV was far from being perfect.

Don't know what was the 'best' prop fighter in 1945. Maybe Tempest MkII because it didn't had all engines problems the MkV had but it arrived too late to see action in the ETO.

For aircrafts in service in may 1945, it is difficult to say. Ta152 and Tempest MkV are good pretenders.

Yea pulling the chains on you all, The Ta 152 is a good choice, it was a great prop plane..Everyone always likes to bring up the me 262 in stuff like this..
But because of the bad engine problems they had.. It was a advanced fighter but not a Great one..
The P-51 did have great advantages over many allied fighters, mainly with the range this bird had, and most every book and historians I have seen do say the p-51 is the #1 ranked allied bird..
The British spits like the Bf 109 had too short of range to be placed near the top..
And the Japanese fighters for the most part didn't have the protection required to rated highly by western aircraft buffs..

So as many would say I have to go with the p-51 for the best overall fighter..
No one else had anything that could dance across Europe and still fight a pitched battle and return home..

And the Germans I have seen speak of such things had a very healthy respect for the Mustang..It rates highly when the enemy says that they feared and respected the Mustang..
So as I said and most every Air Historian I have ever seen said the Mustang is the top dog, I'll stand with this too..
Sorry all but the American Iron did rule in the class of long range and fighting ability..

 

[hairyspin]

One thing I've noticed over the years is...

The best fighter in WWII is usually the one that was flown by the pilot that you ask...

Very true! Here an ex-combat pilot talks about retraining as a test pilot after the war, when he was expected to fly a wide variety of aircraft and assess each accurately and dispassionately:-

"Increasingly you became aware of the different features, the strengths and weaknesses of each design. This awakening of a more critical and questioning approach was vitally important. The very reverse of squadron practice, where each pilot subconciously adjusts his technique to the characteristics of his aircraft, and familiarity blinds him to its deficiencies."
David Ince DFC, "Brotherhood of the Skies"

The author flew Typhoons with the 2nd TAF and loved the great brute like few others for the thoroughly effective weapon it was. He also flew Tempest Mk.IIs and liked the Tempest's improved handling and performance over the Typhoon but "missed the Sabre up front". He never took a Spitfire or Hurricane to war although he trained in both and cherishes the memory of a Spit in the summer skies. He was also, like Alec Henshaw, slightly critical of the Mk.IX's loss of 'purity of handling' over the Mk.V, but says how it grew on you and was a joy to fly.

Of the Spitfire FR.XIVc he flew, he writes "Gyroscope of an engine and rules which you broke at your peril, but the performance was - wow!" He also found the Mustang's handling rather bland, if unengaging, "That is, until I got my hands on a P51D with its Packard Melin engine".

So, no conclusions - it's still horses for courses.

 

[greycap.raf]

It rates highly when the enemy says that they feared and respected the Mustang..

On the other hand, many Japanese pilots have said that out of all the Allied aircraft they faced, the most fearsome at low level was the P-40. The old underpowered mud mover that turned and rolled better than a P-51 or an F4U in its real element - another good airframe seriously let down by a hopeless engine.