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My Big Little City is in Trouble and I'm Angry
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The problem that all developed countries are running into is that in the USA we were created to be a representative democracy where if a business man failed in his ventures, he failed and was left with his shirt, trousers, and ability to go back to work and start over. Now, that happens to a degree for the common American, IF he can find a job. It is not true of the CEO, the banker, the politician in the USA. If they fail due to bad business practices, the Congress hands them common tax payer money to keep them from going belly up, which is the American way. The USA and the developed world would have been much better off IF the Congress had allowed those businesses and banks that are "too big to allow to fail", to fail. They should have gone belly up and their CEOs and CFOs should have had to tap into their own bank accounts to save them, not the people of the USA's bank accounts.
In the USA, once the Congress gave the international bankers on Wall Street tax payer bailout money, the bankers, in appreciation, gave themselves all massive bonuses into their personal bank accounts in the Caymans and Switzerland. They have no interst bailout money with no repayment schedule courtesy of the Congress of the USA on the backs of the common Americans. Some banks have never begun to pay back the "loans" and appears do not intend to pay back the "loans" from the American people. The 2% of the wealthiest Americans think that their ill-gotten money is going to insulate them from the anger of the rest of America. I suppose to an extent it will, because Americans eligible to vote do not. Because Americans are a forgiving people. Because Americans have become too lazy to go out and vote for somebody instead of the Party candidates. Because Americans have become impotent in politics. Because Americans that want to work are not allowed to work because illegals will do it for less and American business would rather hire illegals for cash under the table than support our own countrymen and our own economy on "main street". Because some Americans are too proud to flip hamburgers at Micky Ds to support their families in tuff times. Because those willing to work have lost hope and become apathetic. And, because Uncle Sugar has been slowly weening Americans off of working for a living and slowly turning the USA into a society of socialists consumer entitled people, instead of a society of working industrialist and farmers. We Americans have been slowly brain-washed into believing that we are entitled. We have been brain-washed over time to believe that we do not have to sweat and toil to get what we have. If we are out of work, Uncle Sugar will take care of us. We don't have to take a job out of our chosen field. We don't have to work for 2/3s of our former salary because Uncle Sugar will pay us that to NOT work. We don't have to grow food on our farms, Uncle Sugar will let us NOT grow food for CLP payments.
Hey folks, Uncle Sugar is bankrupt. Uncle Sugar has borrowed more money than Uncle Sugar can pay just the interest on. It is time for Americans to go back to work. Not willing to work=no food, no housing, no clothes, no ipods, no computers, no big screen TVs, no Xbox 360s, no $200 air jordans.
It is time to demand that members of Congress start representing the people and demand that Wall Street pay back the American people with interest or Congress will move to freeze and confiscate individual CEO, CFO, board member's bank accounts. Think it cannot happen? Try owing the IRS money. They can and will do it to common Americans, so they CAN do it to the leaches in our top 2% of wealth. It is time to start demanding the Congress make a fair tax system that taxes companies that take their industrial jobs to countries that pay pennies to virtual slave labor and children laborers. You want American wealth? Start bringing American jobs back to America. But no, Americans have become too lazy, too apathetic to demand such things. We will all go to the polls this election year and re-elect the same R&D Bozos into the US Congress and State Legislatures and expect different results.
What is the definition of insanity again?
(climbing down off my soapbox and back into my straight jacket)
In the USA, once the Congress gave the international bankers on Wall Street tax payer bailout money, the bankers, in appreciation, gave themselves all massive bonuses into their personal bank accounts in the Caymans and Switzerland. They have no interst bailout money with no repayment schedule courtesy of the Congress of the USA on the backs of the common Americans. Some banks have never begun to pay back the "loans" and appears do not intend to pay back the "loans" from the American people. The 2% of the wealthiest Americans think that their ill-gotten money is going to insulate them from the anger of the rest of America. I suppose to an extent it will, because Americans eligible to vote do not. Because Americans are a forgiving people. Because Americans have become too lazy to go out and vote for somebody instead of the Party candidates. Because Americans have become impotent in politics. Because Americans that want to work are not allowed to work because illegals will do it for less and American business would rather hire illegals for cash under the table than support our own countrymen and our own economy on "main street". Because some Americans are too proud to flip hamburgers at Micky Ds to support their families in tuff times. Because those willing to work have lost hope and become apathetic. And, because Uncle Sugar has been slowly weening Americans off of working for a living and slowly turning the USA into a society of socialists consumer entitled people, instead of a society of working industrialist and farmers. We Americans have been slowly brain-washed into believing that we are entitled. We have been brain-washed over time to believe that we do not have to sweat and toil to get what we have. If we are out of work, Uncle Sugar will take care of us. We don't have to take a job out of our chosen field. We don't have to work for 2/3s of our former salary because Uncle Sugar will pay us that to NOT work. We don't have to grow food on our farms, Uncle Sugar will let us NOT grow food for CLP payments.
Hey folks, Uncle Sugar is bankrupt. Uncle Sugar has borrowed more money than Uncle Sugar can pay just the interest on. It is time for Americans to go back to work. Not willing to work=no food, no housing, no clothes, no ipods, no computers, no big screen TVs, no Xbox 360s, no $200 air jordans.
It is time to demand that members of Congress start representing the people and demand that Wall Street pay back the American people with interest or Congress will move to freeze and confiscate individual CEO, CFO, board member's bank accounts. Think it cannot happen? Try owing the IRS money. They can and will do it to common Americans, so they CAN do it to the leaches in our top 2% of wealth. It is time to start demanding the Congress make a fair tax system that taxes companies that take their industrial jobs to countries that pay pennies to virtual slave labor and children laborers. You want American wealth? Start bringing American jobs back to America. But no, Americans have become too lazy, too apathetic to demand such things. We will all go to the polls this election year and re-elect the same R&D Bozos into the US Congress and State Legislatures and expect different results.
What is the definition of insanity again?
(climbing down off my soapbox and back into my straight jacket)
1. There have been some improvements in the last week in Wichita because aircraft sales have been made by Bombardier and Hawker-Beechcraft. Both companies say they need to hire and to be honest there was a point, not long ago, in Wichita when the experienced aircraft workers were all tapped out. The companies were hiring any warm body they could find. In the long run Wichita will be fine.
2. I am a liberal union-lover, but I am convinced that the machinists union and the way Kansas (or Wichita) collects taxes did in Boeing Wichita. I say this because the local and state governments are, all of a sudden, saying there is so much more we can give in the way of tax breaks to lure jobs to Wichita. Looking at how Wichita has grown over the past two decades I must conclude it is true. There is a ton of money in this town but if all you ever see of Wichita is the city you wouldn't understand that. Wichita is shrinking population wise. Any family with and income over $50,000 has moved out into the county and, if they choose to do the maintenance, has a ranch house with 5 acres, maybe even a pony or two. Little towns in Sedgwick County like Andover, Derby, Goddard, Park City and others have grown exponentially. The real draw here is conservatism. If you are a hard-core conservative you would love the area. People move to these once small towns because they don't want to give up the small-town farming community mentality that still thrives here. There will always be a market for a place like this. Real estate is cheap here and we never really experienced a real estate bust. The conservative side of this area is hard for me to take and I have tried to move away. I went to grad school in East Lansing, Michigan a decade ago but I missed the eternal sun shine and the high standard of living Wichita enjoys so I came back to teach. When I say high standard of living I refer to the fact that $200,000 will buy you a home here that costs a million bucks on the west coast. Even the real estate in Lansing was much higher . . . and you get enough room for a horse or two. No, Wichita will be fine and experienced aircraft workers do not need to be paid $25 an hour or more to live a very comfortable life. This I have always known. The unions need to accept pay cuts or plants will close. Union lover or not, I accept this inevitable fact.
3. None of the above changes the sadness I feel over losing a factory that played such a vital role in WWII. I love my country and this misplaced liberal has no regrets about fire-bombing, then nuking, Japan into submission. I feel like saying "We did that. We won that war." Now its gone and the powers that be have no respect for what this community has done, and will continue to do, for it's country. Please follow the link below.
http://www.aviation-history.com/boeing/b29.html
2. I am a liberal union-lover, but I am convinced that the machinists union and the way Kansas (or Wichita) collects taxes did in Boeing Wichita. I say this because the local and state governments are, all of a sudden, saying there is so much more we can give in the way of tax breaks to lure jobs to Wichita. Looking at how Wichita has grown over the past two decades I must conclude it is true. There is a ton of money in this town but if all you ever see of Wichita is the city you wouldn't understand that. Wichita is shrinking population wise. Any family with and income over $50,000 has moved out into the county and, if they choose to do the maintenance, has a ranch house with 5 acres, maybe even a pony or two. Little towns in Sedgwick County like Andover, Derby, Goddard, Park City and others have grown exponentially. The real draw here is conservatism. If you are a hard-core conservative you would love the area. People move to these once small towns because they don't want to give up the small-town farming community mentality that still thrives here. There will always be a market for a place like this. Real estate is cheap here and we never really experienced a real estate bust. The conservative side of this area is hard for me to take and I have tried to move away. I went to grad school in East Lansing, Michigan a decade ago but I missed the eternal sun shine and the high standard of living Wichita enjoys so I came back to teach. When I say high standard of living I refer to the fact that $200,000 will buy you a home here that costs a million bucks on the west coast. Even the real estate in Lansing was much higher . . . and you get enough room for a horse or two. No, Wichita will be fine and experienced aircraft workers do not need to be paid $25 an hour or more to live a very comfortable life. This I have always known. The unions need to accept pay cuts or plants will close. Union lover or not, I accept this inevitable fact.
3. None of the above changes the sadness I feel over losing a factory that played such a vital role in WWII. I love my country and this misplaced liberal has no regrets about fire-bombing, then nuking, Japan into submission. I feel like saying "We did that. We won that war." Now its gone and the powers that be have no respect for what this community has done, and will continue to do, for it's country. Please follow the link below.
http://www.aviation-history.com/boeing/b29.html
Totally get that. We have lost virtually all our aircraft manufacturing in this country, iconic companies and the airfields associated with them have vanished; De Havilland has gone & Hatfield is now an industrial park; the same with Vickers/Wisley, Blackburn/Brough, Hawker/Dunsfold & others, Avro/Woodford - so much of our heritage was built over for light industrial use. I guess it is progress, but it is still sad.
Glad to hear that there is some light at the end of the Wichita tunnel.
wombat666
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Please take care to keep the 'National Politics' to a minimum in this thread [I quite understand this is very difficult] as this is not the place for such a subject.
Oso's Outhouse is the correct forum.
Thus far all concerned have been very civil and we do not need any aggravation via generalised political discussions.
Thank you in anticipation of your co-operation.
Oso's Outhouse is the correct forum.
Thus far all concerned have been very civil and we do not need any aggravation via generalised political discussions.
Thank you in anticipation of your co-operation.