NEW FSX Native 727 -->Thomas Ruth

[Bjoern]

Tom is working on a nav light fix, the -ADV and the "Super 27" now.

1) CP

I'll consider it, but don't get your hopes up. I prefer doing Kelowna or Air Canada first.

2) Iberia (retro)

Passing on that one.

1. Anybody else having difficulty tracking a VOR using the autopilot? When you rotate the Autopilot Mode selector to Nav hold, it seems to do nothing - however I found that LOC does. Then once you finally can track the VOR, the airplane rolls quite s-l-o-w-l-y. Could this be a programing quirk or something that I'm doing wrong...<o></o>

Aircraft.cfg -> [Autopilot] -> Play with those values:

max_bank_acceleration=1.8
max_bank_velocity=3.00

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I like you just for saying that. :d

That's interesting! I wonder how he programed that nifty trick!

It ain't magic; it's just XML coding.

 

[delta_lima]

Thanks for considering, Bjoern.

dl

 

[iheart707]

It ain't magic; it's just XML coding.

<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comfficeffice" /><o></o>
<o></o>
<o></o>

I know, I know... But the entire realm of coding is in many ways, a foreign of a language to many aviators (including me). You don't have to take the love out of it ya know!

 

[Pepere]

Thanks Tom, Very nice aircraft in every respects.

Thanks again,

David

 

[Bruce Thompson]

Anybody else having the problem with the nav lights?

i.e.Port is Starboard and visa versa.

 

[Bjoern]

<!--?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comfficeffice" /--><o></o>You don't have to take the love out of it ya know!

Once you get behind the magic, the love is gone. Can't change it.

Anybody else having the problem with the nav lights?

i.e.Port is Starboard and visa versa.

In my last post I've announced that Tom is working on a fix...

 

[Bruce Thompson]

Thanks Bjoern I missed that, it's my age you know.

 

[Curtis P40]

I'm liking this. After moving to FSX, I realized how many aircraft I had downloaded and not used compared to the ones I really miss. The default aircraft got old pretty fast and I've downloaded only a few FSX aircraft that I had in 9. After a short flight with Thomas's 727 from Indy to Louisville, I think this is a keeper ! Good job Mr Ruth.
Curt

Steam gauges over glass, any day.

 

[Bjoern]

Almost forgot...

For those who care, here's another version of the paintkit. I'm not a big fan of "paint before you cut up", so I've shuffled the panel lines etc...around a bit. Now you can paint the fuselage directly on the main texture file with all the separate panel lines, etc...layers intact.

http://www.mediafire.com/?cygrtrpfwufknys

 

[StormILM]

I'm not sure if anyone had noticed that the N1, N2, & EGT gauge needles ran high off scale when at full throttle. I ended up going into the gauge pack and adjusting the XML's of those gauges to reflect more of a EPR "limiter" effect on the readings at TO/GA power settings. I also noticed that the -200 model seemed a little underpowered and hit the wall at FL310 with 50% fuel at full thrust. I upped the thrust to the late JT8D at 17,400lbst. That made all the difference in the world on getting it established in cruise alt. I'd like to get this update posted but first I want to make sure it's okay with Thomas Ruth. He stated mods were welcome within the copyright respects but just want to be on the safe side.

Saw the first repaint today for DHL Cargo. Very nice!
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[thunder100]

Congrats Tom& DANKE

As owner of all FS 727's (my second love to Connie's) and comparing it (Including the CS ones !!

really very well made

Roland

 

[Bjoern]

I'm not sure if anyone had noticed that the N1, N2, & EGT gauge needles ran high off scale when at full throttle. I ended up going into the gauge pack and adjusting the XML's of those gauges to reflect more of a EPR "limiter" effect on the readings at TO/GA power settings.

POST IT! NOW!

From what I've heard of him posting mods is always okay, as long as credit is given where credit is due.

I also noticed that the -200 model seemed a little underpowered and hit the wall at FL310 with 50% fuel at full thrust.

Early -200s came with the same engines than used on the -100, hence their disappointing performance.

That's also the reason why Boeing offered a JATO package for the early -200 and AFAIK most -200s were upgraded to the -ADV standard later on which brought more powerful engines.

Saw the first repaint today for DHL Cargo. Very nice!
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I've started one for the -100 yesterday. The legendary and awesome Saul Bass livery for UAL.

Not sure what to do with the -200 'though. It's going to get the later 1990s gray UAL livery for sure. This leaves the late Saul Bass one with the big titles still for painting. I just can't decide if the -100 or the -200 should get it.

Also, I've set my sights on DAL's late "Widget" livery with the all black nose. And the short lived 1997 one.

And there's still AAL...


Argh! Too...much...to...paint...too...little...time...

 

[StormILM]

Hi Bjoern, I did email Tom the gauges and asked permission just to be safe. The power adjustments in the config I made do reflect the more the upgraded JT8D-17R thrust tables of the -200ADV. When I looked at the config, it was set for 14,500lbst which at the higher gross weight of the -200 @ 209,500lbs was very anemic on takeoff and hit the wall at FL310 or below with a moderate climb profile. The -17R thrust setting in the config did the trick for me but to anyone wishing backdate to -15 & -17 thrust settings will get a bit better performance than the original config settings. I know a couple of retired Captains(Piedmont & US Air) who flew the 72's over their careers and I remember them telling me about the engine upgrades over the years they flew them. They surely liked the ADV's performance & reliability.

This is one great freeware model! I've been flying it every day since release.
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[fliger747]

I was not unusual to see 727's with a mix of engines. I remember being tossed off the jumseat in Denver one Summer day for "weight"... all 165 lbs.... To turn off the smoke, about the only way with JT8D's that I know of is to pull the fuel control switch to cutoff. The advent of then 737-400 and it's kin, spelled the doom of the 727 for much of any mailine service.

An initial altitude of 310 at a high weight sounds about right. Even the 747-400 taking off at 870000 lbs doesn't like much higher to start with.

Cheers: T

 

[Bjoern]

Dang, someone beat me to the FedEx repaint.

Gives me more time for cursing at United for not washing their airplanes.

When I looked at the config, it was set for 14,500lbst which at the higher gross weight of the -200 @ 209,500lbs was very anemic on takeoff and hit the wall at FL310 or below with a moderate climb profile.

As I've said: The -200 initially shipped with the -100s engines.

Hence:
http://aviationtrivia.blogspot.com/2010/04/ive-always-had-soft-spot-for-boeing-727.html

(Piedmont & US Air)

Also on my list.

The old logos are a bit tough to come by though.

 

[fliger747]

In the late 60's Alaska (AKA Elastic) Airlines had a whole series of various Alaska theme tails, the Eskimo (from Kotzebue) being only one of the bunch. The Eskimo originally didn't have a smile either!

Cheers: T

 

[Bjoern]

In the late 60's Alaska (AKA Elastic) Airlines had a whole series of various Alaska theme tails, the Eskimo (from Kotzebue) being only one of the bunch. The Eskimo originally didn't have a smile either!

That Inuit makes the livery awfully hard to paint.

I prefer Wien Air myself. Especially their late, red livery was simple, good looking and straight to the point.

 

[CG_1976]

If someone is up for a req please, First Air still flies the 727C up here in the high Arctic.
http://www.airliners.net/photo/First-Air/Boeing-727-233-Adv(F)/0778311/L/

 

[robcap]

Check this nice video on SimFlight.com
http://simflight.com/2011/02/12/viking-aviation-iran-air-b727-200/

Cheers, R.

 

[fliger747]

Ah yes, First Air, rode on them about two decades ago from Either Ottawa or Toronto to what I will call Frobisher Bay, as I can't spell Igaluit???? Rode on Wein on just about the last revenue flight, SEA-FAI. Still a lot of the old codgers from Wein kicking about up here.

I remember taking the turbojet Flight Engineer exam, which used the 727 at the time. Amazingly the only engineer ticket I hold is for turboprops.....

In the long run, the wing mounted engines worked out better and the 737 had more room for continued development. I still see a lot of 727's flying, marked up in DHL colors etc. All the guys that I know that have flown the 27 gave it high marks.

T