New sim new computer ?...(TPM ?...)

Javis

Javis

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I'm getting more and more the idea that the first hurdle one has to take to run MSFS24 is to lose W10 and get W11, right ?

Currently running MS2020 on a 5 year old W10 system. Not bad but not great neither. Now i stumbled over this today " no TPM 2.0 no W11 ". It seems very much like my current system has never heard of TPM and so have i neither.... Reading up about it it is some kind of security chip, right ? So does that make my system incompatible with MS2024 in the first place ??..... (i would be happy to upgrade to W11..)

The thing is though that the thought of a new computer to replace my old and (t)rusty machine doesn't exactly put me off.

Instead of going to the possible tribulations of trying to equip my current system with this TPM 2.0 (even if possible in the first place) so i can install W11 ( my system meets all other demands to upgrade to W11, just this silly TPM 2.0 stands in the way..) wouldn't buying a new W11 computer with TPM 2.0 installed be a much better option ?....

I was kinda used to that anyway, you know, a new FS version = a new computer. That was the rule of thumb back in those days. ;-)

Good thinking or bad karma ?.... :unsure:
 
Javis said:
I'm getting more and more the idea that the first hurdle one has to take to run MSFS24 is to lose W10 and get W11, right ?

Currently running MS2020 on a 5 year old W10 system. Not bad but not great neither. Now i stumbled over this today " no TPM 2.0 no W11 ". It seems very much like my current system has never heard of TPM and so have i neither.... Reading up about it it is some kind of security chip, right ? So does that make my system incompatible with MS2024 in the first place ??..... (i would be happy to upgrade to W11..)

The thing is though that the thought of a new computer to replace my old and (t)rusty machine doesn't exactly put me off.

Instead of going to the possible tribulations of trying to equip my current system with this TPM 2.0 (even if possible in the first place) so i can install W11 ( my system meets all other demands to upgrade to W11, just this silly TPM 2.0 stands in the way..) wouldn't buying a new W11 computer with TPM 2.0 installed be a much better option ?....

I was kinda used to that anyway, you know, a new FS version = a new computer. That was the rule of thumb back in those days. ;-)

Good thinking or bad karma ?.... :unsure:
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I upgraded to Win 11 earlier this year on my almost 4 year old system and it's working great - no regrets at all. I had to enable TPM prior to the upgrade, and it was a fairly easy process.
Here's a recent article...

www.wikihow.com

How to Enable Secure Boot & TPM 2.0 in Your PC's BIOS: Guide

Fix issues with your Windows 11 upgrade or Valorant game Are you trying to enable Secure Boot? Secure Boot is a security feature that prevents malware from loading when your computer starts. If Secure Boot is not enabled in your PC's BIOS...
www.wikihow.com www.wikihow.com

PS: I also did the Win11 24H2 update with no problems. However, your mileage may vary.
 
I fitted a TPM 2.0 chip onto my old motherboard, but the Windows 11 compatibility checker then said my CPU wasn't compliant! I bought a whole new Windows 11 PC, much easier...
 
I was going through the same thing with my old rig, passed every test except TPM 2.0. Turned out it is something in the BIOS, and my rig could be upgraded with a BIOS flash, or so the tests said. However, the rig refused to boot using the upgraded BIOS. Regress to previous BIOS, and it booted fine. After more research, it was determined only a new motherboard, which, of course, would require only newer memory, CPU, GPU, etc, would allow WIN 11 to load. Thus, my current build. Am I happy with it? Not really. It's very fast, yes, with a lot of caveats. #1, WIN 11 is extremely frustrating if you are not at least very comfortable with programming, because more and more of the changes we used to be able to do are buried deeper now. Also, no USB 1.2 or any 1.0 dirivitive, making most of the Saitek FIP and panels inop. I tried an add-on card, no joy. Is it WIN 11 or the newer architecture of the chips? All of them worked before with WIN 10.

Is it just my rig, or does the USB system occasionally do partial drop outs? During preflight and take off, everything works fine. A few minutes into the flight, it's like a switch is turned off in the aircraft, and I have NO control of engine or flight controls. Autopilot switches off, and the inevitable slow roll to the left and crash. Restart flight, everything working well, usually for full flight of around 1 hour. I haven't tried any long flights because of frustration. MSFS2020. I have not tried it with any of the older sims, which are still on some of my external HDDs. This does NOT occur when using my driving setup in American Truck Simulator.
 
modelr said:
....SNIP Also, no USB 1.2 or any 1.0 dirivitive, making most of the Saitek FIP and panels inop. I tried an add-on card, no joy. Is it WIN 11 or the newer architecture of the chips? All of them worked before with WIN 10.

....SNIP
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Thanks I had not known that one. My stuff is old but I can't replace it right now. My laptop barks about wanting to go to W11 but I keep telling it no. Now I know why I really want to say NO!.
 
Snuffy said:
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I opened that link up and said WOW me want!

Then I said I should close this before my wife sees it and gets the wrong idea...

Then i decided to leave it open, let her see it and get the wrong idea. LOL it will still cost me something but it will be worth it.

Thanks @Snuffy
 
Dangerousdave26 said:
I opened that link up and said WOW me want!

Then I said I should close this before my wife sees it and gets the wrong idea...

Then i decided to leave it open, let her see it and get the wrong idea. LOL it will still cost me something but it will be worth it.

Thanks @Snuffy
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Honestly Dave,

I've always been in the Intel/Nvidia camp, but having recently switched over to AMD (like Cazzie), I'm not looking back. I get better performance, lower temps, better graphics with my rig than with my previous i9 13900K, 32 GB RAM and RTX4090 for about 1000€ less. With watercooling instead of the old cooler.

You'll be happier, and so will the misses! ;)

Priller
 
Except on those occasions when your AMD crashes because it can't execute certain Intel/nVidia system calls.
 
My experience with AMD was many years ago now, rumor was someone was buying broken Intel chips and rebranding them and selling for cheap replacement systems.

I had plenty of issues and swore then to never fall off the Intel wagon.
I've had various graphics, but any cpu other than Intel was always a problem.

Also, by way of observation, (on steam,) the majority of players complaining about programs crashing, not working, acting strange, etc., are usually users of any thing other than intel/nVidia.

Not trying for an argument, just stating observation.

I hope you never experience issues.


Oh, and one of the other observations of players with system problems, are mostly those who tend to over-clock.
 
Snuffy said:
My experience with AMD was many years ago now, rumor was someone was buying broken Intel chips and rebranding them and selling for cheap replacement systems.

I had plenty of issues and swore then to never fall off the Intel wagon.
I've had various graphics, but any cpu other than Intel was always a problem.

Also, by way of observation, (on steam,) the majority of players complaining about programs crashing, not working, acting strange, etc., are usually users of any thing other than intel/nVidia.

Not trying for an argument, just stating observation.

I hope you never experience issues.


Oh, and one of the other observations of players with system problems, are mostly those who tend to over-clock.
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Thanks for sharing that Snuffy, really highly appreciated.

You know, many moons ago, after getting out of the army and being unemployed, I had to buy AMD components with low cost motherboards and crappy cases and so forth. Needless to say, I was less than happy with them.

A couple of years and a lot of frustration later, I got my life back on track and happily jumped on the Intel Nvidia bandwagon. I could finally buy high end rigs. (needed for flightsim since the dawn of time! :))

But still, the frustration re-emerged after maybe expecting too much. And no, I don't overclock.

So then, a couple of months ago, after reading about Cazzie going AMD and talking to jmig, I decided to go for full AMD and I've never been happier. Especially after reading how much Intel is effing up on the latest (14th) generation CPU's. I work in IT (manager now, not a real techie anymore), so I do comprehend what's going on.

But as in all things, it all depends on the experience of the user.

Thanks again for sharing your findings!

Priller
 
Dangerousdave26 said:
I opened that link up and said WOW me want!

Then I said I should close this before my wife sees it and gets the wrong idea...

Then i decided to leave it open, let her see it and get the wrong idea. LOL it will still cost me something but it will be worth it.

Thanks @Snuffy
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Ya know @Dangerousdave26 tax time is coming. Any return you get will pay for this! Haha.

That's how I got it! Oh, and it was closer to 5k for me.
 
You might be able to add a TPM module -- I added one to my old Asus board for $25. That said, new rig is always nice if you have an excuse!

Let me know your CPU and motherboard and I can check to see if adding (or even just enabling) TPM 2.0 is an option for you.

I spent a couple of decades as a hardware reviewer for everything from CGW to CNET to Tom's Hardware, and my recommendation if you're getting a new system for MSFS is an AMD X3D processor but an Nvidia 4000-series graphics card. Best combination of price/performance overall.
 
@Priller, my first two computers were manufactured specific, the first, a true blue dyed in the wool IBM XT. 8088 with 8087 math co-processor, 360k of ram a 5 1/4 floppy, full bay, and a 20 meg hard drive, also full bay. I had a monochrome green display. Purchased in 1984.

My second was a full-blown 386 Compaq with a full color display. Bought that some few after later.

I took some training and got my MSCE admin and core cert from MS, in NT. But I had no practical experience, knew no one in the industry, and was never given the opportunity to show what I knew.

Anyhow, every computer I owned after the Compaq were all scratch built by me. This vengeance is the first return to a pre-manufactured system for me.

And now that I've high-jacked this thread long enough, I'll shut up.
 
DennyA said:
You might be able to add a TPM module -- I added one to my old Asus board for $25. That said, new rig is always nice if you have an excuse!
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Amen to that, brother !
DennyA said:
Let me know your CPU and motherboard and I can check to see if adding (or even just enabling) TPM 2.0 is an option for you.
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i9 9900K @ 3.60Ghz Coffee Lake 14nm ; Asus Tek. Rog Strix Z390-F Gaming (LGA1151)

Selecting Device Security gives me : Standard hardware security is not supported. When i initally tried to upgrade to W11 i got a message saying something like TPM could not be found on your system.

To be honest i don't think i'd feel comfortable to open up my computer, take out the Mobo and just like that add a new chip to it......... Software i usually get along with, hardware i have usually too much respect for to go messing about with. I do have great respect for people who build their own system. ( i *did* manage to build quite a wonderful HO scale modelrailroad but that remained my magnum opus ;-)

DennyA said:
I spent a couple of decades as a hardware reviewer for everything from CGW to CNET to Tom's Hardware, and my recommendation if you're getting a new system for MSFS is an AMD X3D processor but an Nvidia 4000-series graphics card. Best combination of price/performance overall.
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Ohhh..., tsjik, tsjik,... holy ground my good friend... ;-) In my simple mind there's about nothing else that belongs to FS more than Intel and Nvidia. I'd almost feel like a traitor if i'd change from Intel to AMD, change from democrat to republican to stay with the news... hehe.. Crazy i know, but that's how high my affection for FS has always been thru all these years.

And certainly true too, i can't think of having had so much has a hiccup from either Intel processors or Nvidia video cards, just that they got better and better thru the years. I have a reasonably outdated Nvidia GF RTX 2080Ti but i still think it does pretty well with MSFS2020. I can still very much imagine my flying cap being blown off with the performance of MSFS2020 thru the likes of a GTX 40 series, let alone MSFS2024 !

I am not religious but when it comes to FS i sorta am. FS, Intel, Nvidia : The Holy Trinity ! :cool:

Thanks very much for suggestions, Denny ! :encouragement:

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Thanks very much for your comments and suggestions, gentlemen !

Highly appreciated ! :ernaehrung004:
 
@Javis : there is a way to circumnavigate those pesky requirements that M$ imposes (TPM, processor, ...) and that is Rufus. Rufus is a tool that enables you to make a bootable usb stick with Windows 11 (latest build) on it. You can even keep your current regional and user settings on the new windows. You just need:

You'll probably read online about the "dangers" of installing Win11 on an unsupported rig, forget about it. M$ will never deny you updates or whatever. And let's face it, M$ support for the residential market is next to inexistant.

So download the above, so you can try before you buy! ;)

Priller
 
Javis said:
i9 9900K @ 3.60Ghz Coffee Lake 14nm ; Asus Tek. Rog Strix Z390-F Gaming (LGA1151)
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Okay, do you want me to say "congratulations on the upgrade opportunity," or to tell you "the good news is your CPU and motherboard are both Windows 11 compatible and all you need to do is update your BIOS and turn on the TPM module?" and give more explicit help on how to do that? Because I can do either of these things next. :)

That said, a 13900K or 14900K or Core 9 Ultra 285K (the stupid new naming scheme) is gonna give you a lot more performance than that 9900K. MSFS is super CPU-dependent and even with 2024's better multithreading, the upgrade's boost is gonna be really obvious if you go that route.

(As for AMD vs Intel, I'm with you! I've been all Intel since my AMD dalliance during Athlon days, and normally I'd say you can't go wrong with Intel. But had to RMA a Core i7-13700K due to the degradation issue that hit the past couple of generations, so my faith is wavering. Hoping the BIOS updates keep the new chip from following suit.)

Priller said:
@Javis : there is a way to circumnavigate those pesky requirements that M$ imposes (TPM, processor, ...) and that is Rufus. Rufus is a tool that enables you to make a bootable usb stick with Windows 11 (latest build) on it. You can even keep your current regional and user settings on the new windows.
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No need in Javis's case. (Javis, stop reading if you just want to upgrade, put your fingers in your ears and go "la la la la" while I finish!) His motherboard and CPU are Win 11-compliant, he just needs a post-August 2021 BIOS and to turn the TPM module on in the BIOS settings.)
 
"La la la la la"......

Thank you so much, Denny ! Yeah, been thinking about it a lot and indeed the thought of buying a new system particularly with MSFS24 just around the corner really tops of the excitement and expectations. 'B' has already firmly set itself in my mind even when i was not really sure about 'A' in the first place.. I don't think i can't go back to sort of messing about with my current 5 year old system to get that TPM working in order to upgrade to W11, eventhough my system seems to be W11-compliant ( nice to know nontheless, thank you ! ;-)

This new system thought is certainly not coming out like lightning out of the blue. When i see all these mouthwatering specs in a lot of posts here in the MSFS2020 forum i can't help feeling i'm dragging way behind for quite some time already. About time something's gotta be done about that and i very much feel the best time is NOW ! :cool:

Ok, that TPM/W-11 thing sure is the trigger of course, i might've just carried on if i could've upgraded to W-11 just like that, but sometimes roadblocks like that are a good way to get things done.

I'm already putting together my new system at the shop i bought my current system from so the fun has begun already !

Thanks again, Denny, much appreciated ! :encouragement:
 
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