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Dangerousdave26

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I finally got back to flying my Alaska Hops list yesterday. I flew about 4 hops then stop at CZN. The next Hop was to 4Z5.

4Z5 is a grass strip 1000' long @ 3300 alt.

No big deal...

Short runway just a good flight for the low and slow plane. Being some what short on them because of a recent system rebuild I opted for the Default Piper Cub.

It was a nice flight the real world weather was feeding sever clear and about 7 kts of wind.

NO Problems right...

Now when I get to 4Z5 I find it sits in a 800' hole :pop4:

As I flew around it I developed a plan brought it in real slow just over the ground up to the point it dropped off. That put me around 47 KIAS. I then powered down to idle and nosed over and pointed it at the ground. I was almost at a 90 degree angle to the runway. By the time I got to the bottom I was pushing 55 KIAS. I pulled it around and landed stopping short of hitting some tress and an additional hole in the ground.

Now as I look at this

What the heck to I use to get out of it. :icon_lol:
 
take off and do a circleing climb. may have to circle in the bowl for a couple three full revolutions, but the cub should be able to do it.

good luck.:ernae:
 
The creativity of FS(anynumber) in positioning airports is the reason that, when I plan a flight, I alway, and I mean always, pay an informal preliminary visit to the airport I chose to land at, discarding those FS has transformed in death traps. :wiggle:
 
Many years ago I remember seeing a magazine article (in Popular Mechanics, maybe?) where a guy took off in a Piper Cub attached, with a rope tied to the wingstrut I believe, to something resembling a tether pole. The Cub would start its circular takeoff run, and once it reached flying speed the rope was released. For the life of me I can't remember if the guy really did it or if it was just his theory. Does anyone else remember seeing anything like that?

Brian
 
LOL, a cub ???

Joe Binka's widgeon made short work of this hoplist, 'course modelr called it right.

...you did remember to drop that first notch of flaps, right ?
 
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FlyTexas said:
...a guy took off in a Piper Cub attached, with a rope tied to the wingstrut...Brian
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There was also a system of a banked circular runway - you went round and round until you had airspeed, then launched over the lip.
 
modelr said:
take off and do a circleing climb. may have to circle in the bowl for a couple three full revolutions, but the cub should be able to do it.

good luck.:ernae:
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Yep, I agree................

looks like you got plenty of room for a Cub...
 
Just out of curiosity, I took a look at 4Z5....and it is in a BIG hole. I got more curious and wanted to know if this was a screw up or if this strip is actually in a big hole...and it turns out that in real life, 4Z5 is in deed in a big hole.

I got back into the sim, with the default J3, and had no problems getting up out of that hole. I fired the plane up, did a turn around, and taxi'd as close to the edge of the hole as I could get, turned back around and faced the run way. Appied brakes, went full power, and held the brakes until the prop really began biting into the air (like the fighter jocks did to get their planes off of carrier decks during WW2), released brakes, got up to speed, hit one notch flaps, and lifted, flew one full climbing revolution around the hole, then popped up over the rim....and ram smack into a really big Christmas tree!!!!

I made it out of the hole, but now my Cub is an ornament on Bigfoot's tree.

OBIO
 
Wing_Z said:
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There was also a system of a banked circular runway - you went round and round until you had airspeed, then launched over the lip.
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What the heck?!?!?!? First it was the Red Bull fighter planes, and now we have the Enzite Helicopter?

OBIO
 
FlyTexas said:
Many years ago I remember seeing a magazine article (in Popular Mechanics, maybe?) where a guy took off in a Piper Cub attached, with a rope tied to the wingstrut I believe, to something resembling a tether pole. The Cub would start its circular takeoff run, and once it reached flying speed the rope was released. For the life of me I can't remember if the guy really did it or if it was just his theory. Does anyone else remember seeing anything like that?

Brian
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Brian (and Wing_Z) both were discussed on the Outhouse and the references I found are here:
http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/showpost.php?p=206487&postcount=2

Rob
 
They could also lower down and pick up mail in packages or buckets from a circling Cub, overhead, lowering a rope with a hook.


The circular runway really worked, but is quite awkward.


That would be cool to see a real Cub launch like that! :d
 
modelr said:
I didn't know the J3 Cub had flaps. :isadizzy:

The Super Cub does, but not the original J3, which the default is.:kilroy:
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OOOPs...I hit button number 5, which I have set to lower flaps one notch per push, but I guess it did no good since the J3 has no flaps. Just goes to show that I need to spend more time reading up on the planes that I crash.

OBIO
 
OBIO said:
OOOPs...I hit button number 5, which I have set to lower flaps one notch per push, but I guess it did no good since the J3 has no flaps. Just goes to show that I need to spend more time reading up on the planes that I crash.

OBIO
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I was scratching my head over that one :icon_lol:

I did not remember the J3 having flaps. I thought I must be just stupid.

Anyway that must be the difference in realism settings (all sliders right). The J3 Cub and the Helio Courier both can not generate enough speed at 3300' to get off the ground. The Helio Courier starts to climb but it is not fast enough nor does it have enough room to turn for the circular climb.

I did climb out of the hole now with the Rans S7 Courier by Steve Grant s7tundra.zip at flightsim.com.

Of course I realize it has to be unrealistic in its flight model as I basically pulled it almost straight up and climbed out.

Note I also had to back up against the far end of the hole to make it out.

Anyway a fun little adventure.

jkcook28 and Maarten :isadizzy: Good Luck with that. :icon_lol:
 
4Z5 is a fun little challenge!

It does sit in a bowl in real life, but I think FS made the bowl a little too tight. :icon_lol:
I think a flatten is needed to make it a bit more realistic.

4Z5, Horsfeld Airport, Horsfeld, Alaska, USA
RUNWAY 3
Obstructions: hill, 5280 ft. from runway, 30:1 slope to clear

RUNWAY 21
Obstructions: hill, 4000 ft. from runway, 10:1 slope to clear

http://airnav.com/airport/4Z5
 
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