One Day Challenge - P2

As always I am backing up the rear...

I am going to look over the rules and get in the saddle tomorrow night. I may spend some time testing tonight.
 
Better hurry Dave.. you only have a couple of days. Don't worry if you miss the deadline 'cause I have another one in the wings... will start Oct 8th and run til Oct 14
-- Rules and route to be posted Tuesday --

Rob
 
srgalahad said:
Better hurry Dave.. you only have a couple of days. Don't worry if you miss the deadline 'cause I have another one in the wings... will start Oct 8th and run til Oct 14
-- Rules and route to be posted Tuesday --

Rob
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Well crap you are really beating my schedule all to :censored: now I have to fit another one in. :icon_lol:

Testing going well I have concluded I can find the ground with out any problems what so ever....

Now if the landing strip were only there. :d
 
One day challenge in PC-21

Final 3 legs in PC-21.

Baton Times

EGPA-EGED 3:39
EGED-EGEW 3:14
EGEW-EGEP 1:01
EGEP-EGEN 3:37
EGEN-EGES 2:42
EGES-EGER 2:15
EGER-EGPA 3:52

Total = 20:20

This was fun!
Vicious
 
Putting on my RTWR Rules Hat

Nice run Vicious but your aircraft is not a legal aircraft for the RTWR race for two reasons. One it is a prototype which automatically disqualifies it from the race (RTWR). see rule quote below. Two it is a Pilatus PC-21 and was not legal in 2007 and 2008 it may actually be legal if they finally have 10 examples in service. I looked over the rules as Reggie reposted them but I could not find anything about Aircraft eligibility for this race. I thought it was posted in the forums prior to the crash that aircraft had to meet the RTWR rules requirements so if I am wrong someone can feel free to correct me.

BTW this is just practice Rules Digestion for the race. :d

RTWR_Home Notams said:
AIRCRAFT TYPES NOT ELIGIBLE IN 2007

The F2G (Goodyear's last version of the F4U Corsair).
Ten were put in service, but those were in testing at Patuxent NAS and found deficient in handling--and decommissioned within two years. Its fame lies in low-level circuit racing.)

Fw 190-D11 and Ta 152C.
The D-11 is labeled as a prototype by Shockwave in their documentation. Apparently 7-13 were built (Shockwave says 7) but we don't know much for sure here--this being a late-war on-the-fly aircraft. The TA 152C is a prototype. (The Fw 190-D9, Fw 190-D13, and the Ta 152H are fine.)

Pilatus PC-21
There are not yet 10 examples in active service.
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RTWR_Home Official Rules said:
iii. Aircraft Requirements.

a) General.


Aircraft must meet all of the following requirements to be eligible for use in the race.






They must be either:
  • Piston-powered fixed-wing aircraft.
  • Turboprop-powered, fixed-wing aircraft of two engines or fewer.
  • Rotorcraft.
In addition at least 10 real-life flying examples of the model, type, and specific version of the simulated aircraft must have been produced and put into service.

Finally, the flight simulator model must have been designed for use in FS2002, FS2004 or FSX, and have been openly available to the general public, either as a commercial product or as freeware, at least two weeks before the race.
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Vicious said:
Hi Dave,

The PC-21 now has at least a dozen aircraft in service according to sources I found on the web (http://www.mindef.gov.sg/imindef/news_and_events/nr/2008/jul/13jul08_nr.html) so I felt it was now an eligible aircraft. I guess we should clarify it before the real race however.

Vicious
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Yep I did not look but I knew it would be close. We had a discussion last year on if they had enough units in service then I think Ed wanted to use it on a leg somewhere. It is a good idea to never fly aircraft in the race that have "Experimental", "Prototype" or "Concept" in the name. That is a red Flag and will get the leg disqualified even if the reason is it is a rePaint that is experimental, prototype, or concept. Willy was adament about that in the last practice session and clearly defined it as a NO NO :173go1: :a1089:

Otherwise if it were legal I would be flying the XP-38N created by P-38 Wizard dcc :icon_lol:
 
My entry

Here are the Duenna files for the first 4 legs. I found time to do them this morning. looks like I will do the other 3 tonight in the dark.

EGPA-EGED 4:41
EGED-EGEW 3:46
EGEW-EGEP 0:52
EGEP-EGEN 4:37
EGEN-EGES not complete
EGES-EGER not complete
EGER-EGPA not complete

Aircraft of choice was Rockwell Turbo Commander

I messed up on the first leg and forgot to put the gear up. :icon_lol: I noticed it when it was too late so I left it down the whole way.
 
And the last three

I proved I can not do it at night. Had to switch to day. I landed at EGES rather abruptly we can say. :icon_lol: {read crashed}

EGEN-EGES 3:34
EGES-EGER 2:36
EGER-EGPA 4:41

Total 24:47

+ 10 minute penalty

Total 34:47
 
fliger747 said:
In the last RTW I think I had to fly the Extra, which had "experimental" on the side....
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Too true Tom... but every Extra is "experimental" thanks to the FAA (and there are a lot more then 10 examples flying) but it was forced on us by the "Default Aircraft" component of the race. Just for the heck of it I did a 'forerunner' flight in the RTW inverted (mostly with my eyes closed, I think).

**Editorial comment inserted: I hope this year we can reduce or rationalize the Deadly Defaults a bit since I think we've moved well past a bare-bones setup for most RTW racers -- bonus points IF you fly one, but few or no mandatory flights.**:a1451:

Rob
 
So is the verdict that the PC-21 is not legal because it was in prototype colors? I didn’t think that would be a problem. I flew that scheme since I’m partial to black, as you can tell from my user pic. :icon_lol:

Vicious
 
Vicious said:
So is the verdict that the PC-21 is not legal because it was in prototype colors? I didn’t think that would be a problem. I flew that scheme since I’m partial to black, as you can tell from my user pic. :icon_lol:

Vicious
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More like:
the PC-21 WAS NOT legal for the 2008 RTW due to the lack of units produced and operated. WILL it be legal for 2009??? Quien sabe?
If there are 10 or more AND the performance is within real-world specs it should become 'legal' but that won't be known til around the new year when the work-up for RTW'09 gets into details.

As far as this exercise is concerned, the final judgement comes from Reggie but look at it as a good learning experience in the format and for the airplane. If it's an RTW option you'll be well prepared... that's what these exercises are here for.

Look at it this way:
For the Team, the keys are Planning, Organization, Pilots and Speed
For the pilots they are Practice, Organization, Preparation and Speed

Rob
 
srgalahad said:
More like:
the PC-21 WAS NOT legal for the 2008 RTW due to the lack of units produced and operated. WILL it be legal for 2009??? Quien sabe?
If there are 10 or more AND the performance is within real-world specs it should become 'legal' but that won't be known til around the new year when the work-up for RTW'09 gets into details.

As far as this exercise is concerned, the final judgement comes from Reggie but look at it as a good learning experience in the format and for the airplane. If it's an RTW option you'll be well prepared... that's what these exercises are here for.

Look at it this way:
For the Team, the keys are Planning, Organization, Pilots and Speed
For the pilots they are Practice, Organization, Preparation and Speed

Rob
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Very right but also look at the Duenna Section Enroute / Aircraft: [T1] PC-21 First Prototype.

To me this reads that the model is the First Prototype of the PC-21 which means it could never be RTWR (maybe legal this race) legal because a prototype is not a production model. Even if they made multiple prototypes it still would not be a production model.

As far as a repaint is concerned that would just be an error on the part of a repainter. Lets say I am repainting a completely legal P-51D/H by shockwave (less external tanks) in SOH Race Colors but I name the title in the Aircraft Config "P-51 SOH RTWR Paint Prototype" because it is my prototype of the paint. This would cause confusion to other teams who may assume I am flying a illegal version of the P-51. Now the judges would possibly recognize by the airfile used that it is legal aircraft but it could cause a delay or a penalty during the race. At the very least I would expect a delay as we wait for a ruling from the committee.

These are just things to watch out for.
 
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