The "texting" shorthand language is the only way to go, unless, you don't mind taking forever to write a text, and you're texting someone who doesn't mind a long winded text. But, that sort of defeats the purpose of a text, which is a quick and concise message to convey a point. The pilot world is chock full of abreviated communication, and the legal world is too (ie court reporter), and even teachers have their little stock of abbreviated comments as they rip and shred your research paper...
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OT: Are we becoming too dependent on technology?
- Thread starter Snuffy
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Sure there is a vast amount of information on the internet. But if we remove porn, videos of people falling on their faces while attempting stupid stunts, pictures of all those Hollyweird bimbos getting out of expensive cars in short skirts with no panties on and showing their watziethingies, and music videos from the internet, the internet would consist of nothing more than an electronic version of a 25 year old encyclopedia set.
Sure, people can find a lot of good and useful information on the internet...but too many of our young (and not so young) people use the internet to look at porn, watch videos of people falling on their faces while attempting stupid stunts, checking out the pictures of all those Hollyweird bimbos getting out of expensive cars in short skirts with no panties on and showing their watziethingies and watching music videos.
I am a gadget head. I love electronics, tools (both manual and power). I just spent a half hour rewiring my entertainment center in the living room and making all the cables and cords less tangled and neater. But, I hate cell phones. My wife and I have 1 (one) cell phone. We use it as an emergency line in case of a power outage, we use it as a link between us when I go shopping and she stays home, we use it as a safety line while we are out and about in our less than reliable junk car. When we want or need to make a call, we turn the phone on, make our call, then shut it back off. This phone is 6 years old, has no camera, no video camera, no texting, no internet. Just a basic phone for making (and very rarely receiving) calls.
I know people, like my sister-in-law, who LIVES on her cell phone. If the battery goes dead, she goes into a panic. She takes calls and text messages in the middle of conversations, she won't shut the thing off long enough to eat a family holiday dinner, she drives with the thing plastered to the side of her head.
OBIO
MaddogK
Sim Junkie
Kinda funny you mentioning 'the grid' NC, with the recent change-over to digital TV I do admit my picture is better when the sun is shining BUT I've a total TV blackout, phone outage and internet loss when the weather gets bad, then out comes the analog AM radio for the weather reports.
LOL, ain't technology grand.
LOL, ain't technology grand.
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I don't use abbreviations, that's why I have them double-space it. I write between the lines and give 'em the straight dope.
I don't use abbreviations, that's why I have them double-space it. I write between the lines and give 'em the straight dope.
Snuffy
Happiness Consultant
That's all well and good for the people in the business and in the know, and that know how to use the "business shorthand" (or abbreviations,) as a means of conveying a message, however, and I use these forums as an example, ...
IF you were to do the shorthand text messaging here on these forums you would most likely receive a bunch of flack. The ordinary every day language of the people is not meant to be shorthanded.
No the common every day person should use the language as he was taught it, and providing he can remember it ... As it is, even with everyday language, there are still people on this site that can not differentiate between the use of "there", "they're", and "their", or other words that sound similar but are spelled differently.
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Snuffy,
Not to veer off track, but...remember SOH is an international site, and for some English is not their first language. I work with several ESL / ELL students and have traveled outside of the English-speaking world, so I have an inkling of life on the other side, and can understand how difficult of a language English can be to learn, especially considering that for every rule, there are dozens of exceptions to it.
Other languages (French, Spanish, German) are in many ways easier because the rules are a bit more consistent. In addition, English is a true hodgepodge of language that uses words from many other sources.
Snuffy,
Not to veer off track, but...remember SOH is an international site, and for some English is not their first language. I work with several ESL / ELL students and have traveled outside of the English-speaking world, so I have an inkling of life on the other side, and can understand how difficult of a language English can be to learn, especially considering that for every rule, there are dozens of exceptions to it.
Other languages (French, Spanish, German) are in many ways easier because the rules are a bit more consistent. In addition, English is a true hodgepodge of language that uses words from many other sources.
Snuffy
Happiness Consultant
Point taken, however, I can attest that the majority of abusers of this statement are American or English native speaking individuals. Persons who have a differentl language as their primary can usually be picked out from those that are supposed to be native born and native speaking English/Americans ...
Point in case, read the second post of this thread ...
Then look at the location of the poster.
Point in case, read the second post of this thread ...
Then look at the location of the poster.This is the classic argument. Teach someone to use a computer or to think. Hopefully both. I remember back in high school, early/mid 80's, some teachers would require students to have and use what we had for computers then, mostly a fancy calculator, for the class. Other teachers would forbid them. One science teacher in particular did not use any calculators, only a slide rule. Never had cell phones back then. Today people say they cannot live without them. Is this a good thing or is it necessary. Too a point yes.
I am in the IT proffession, I am very comfortable around 'gadgets', electronic interfaces and such. However like OBIO, I don't like cell phones either. However they are a must. Thank the internet gods things like Skype came around.
But you know, there was a time not long ago before these devices and people got along fine. In the 80s we got by with what we had, we werent beside ourselves trying to figure out what to do with our 'limited' technology then. And even before then, I am sure folks here who grew up in the 60s and before will say that people then got by just fine too. Look at WW2, it was fought with the best technology of the day, obsolete by today's standards but it was done, and done very well considering the limitations. The thought of flying a plane off a carrier deck with limited navigation capabilities out in the middle of open ocean, go do battle which I imagine would quite disorienting to figure out how to get back is crazy by today's standards. But it was done and done with a high degree of success.
Bill is right, technology is relative. 20 years from now we will look back on FSX as we look back on FS4 now....'HAHAH Remember when we had 'accusim'? it was great, but now we can 'virtually' walk into the virtual FBO and make a virtual pass at virtual girl behind the virtual counter....'...'or now we can virtually run and hide when we see the virtual FAA inspector walking toward us on the virtual ramp'
hehe Idiocracy...one of my favorite movies....Go away!....Batin! :d
But you know, there was a time not long ago before these devices and people got along fine. In the 80s we got by with what we had, we werent beside ourselves trying to figure out what to do with our 'limited' technology then. And even before then, I am sure folks here who grew up in the 60s and before will say that people then got by just fine too. Look at WW2, it was fought with the best technology of the day, obsolete by today's standards but it was done, and done very well considering the limitations. The thought of flying a plane off a carrier deck with limited navigation capabilities out in the middle of open ocean, go do battle which I imagine would quite disorienting to figure out how to get back is crazy by today's standards. But it was done and done with a high degree of success.
Bill is right, technology is relative. 20 years from now we will look back on FSX as we look back on FS4 now....'HAHAH Remember when we had 'accusim'? it was great, but now we can 'virtually' walk into the virtual FBO and make a virtual pass at virtual girl behind the virtual counter....'...'or now we can virtually run and hide when we see the virtual FAA inspector walking toward us on the virtual ramp'
hehe Idiocracy...one of my favorite movies....Go away!....Batin! :d
stuartcox
Charter Member
Point in case, read the second post of this thread ...
Sorry to disappoint, but even having an English name, I have only lived back here for the last five years, having to re-learn the language after 35 years of speaking German. (Even worse - it was Bavarian!).
I still managed my university degrees (in German), though! A lot of people would be proud to be accent free in a second language, despite the odd spelling mistake...
That still doesn't change my oppinion on the original subject of the thread, and has nothing to do with sending text messages.
JorisVandenBerghe
Charter Member 2010
I agree that lots of people are becoming too dependent on some technology, like cell phones. I have a cell phone, but send texts in plain Dutch (or English, or even French, just occasionally, as we're a bunch of language students anyway ) only.
But that's probably just because I'm a language student...even acquired of a British accent (and yes, I'm quite proud of it ).
) only.But that's probably just because I'm a language student
...even acquired of a British accent (and yes, I'm quite proud of it ).The ability to nearly instantly find the answers to 1000000 different questions is more valuable than knowing the answer to 1 question.
The ability to use a calculator that can perform complex calculus in an instant is more valuable than being able to multiply two numbers in your head.
Technology defines the abilities of the human race. It always has and always will. It is why we run the world and not the grey squirrel in your back yard.
Most of the questions asked on Jaywalking revolve around politics and religion. There are many people who couldn't care less about either of those two things. Of course that doesn't excuse the genuinely stupid people, but there have always been stupid people.
Ask my parents about computers. They don't know a thing about them. I do. Does that make them stupid? Does that make me smarter than them? No. Just because the newer generation has been learning new and different things doesn't make us stupid. Just because the older generations don't know a lot about the newer things doesn't make them stupid. It makes us different.
Snuffy
Happiness Consultant
I respectfully have to state that we'll have to disagree ... basic human functions and the ability to properly use them are far more important than all the technology around today.
The problem is that people become so dependent on that technology that they regress in their god given ability to function as a societal human being.
I think you're still confused. I'm not deriding the technology, I deriding the dependancy on it for thinking process.
As I said we'll agree to disagree, but I think that's due primarily to our age differences, who knows.
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The problem is that people become so dependent on that technology that they regress in their god given ability to function as a societal human being.
I think you're still confused. I'm not deriding the technology, I deriding the dependancy on it for thinking process.
As I said we'll agree to disagree, but I think that's due primarily to our age differences, who knows.
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When writing was invented, people complained that the art of singing and the skill of memorizing things was lost, which it was. Were people in 1700 "too dependent on technology" compared to thier memorizing and chanting ancestors of 1200?
Of all the people who "text", I would bet the percentage of those who text each other while sitting next to each other is low. Not to mention these two people may have been testing their new phones. We don't know.
Smarts and independence don't come from a lack of technology. Some people can text their friends, and hunt rabbits in the woods and make a fire. And catch fish.
People who can't stop texting will eventually get run over by a bus while not looking where they're going. That's how evolution works...
Of all the people who "text", I would bet the percentage of those who text each other while sitting next to each other is low. Not to mention these two people may have been testing their new phones. We don't know.
Smarts and independence don't come from a lack of technology. Some people can text their friends, and hunt rabbits in the woods and make a fire. And catch fish.
People who can't stop texting will eventually get run over by a bus while not looking where they're going. That's how evolution works...