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  • Please see the most recent updates in the "Where did the .com name go?" thread. Posts number 16 and 17.

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OT: Hollywood makes me crazy.

Actually, I can forgive movie makers for their WWII transgressions where something like a 109 is concerned. Prior to the advent of high-grade CGI, I imagine it was damn near impossible to round up much in the way of original, accurate, flying stock. In a weird twist, now that computer-generated animation has reached such a high quality level we should start seeing more accurate depictions.
 
yea same here, after all the only things thats different between a 109 and a bouchon is the nose, i'd rather have them and spits dogfighting than some silly cgi where the planes can turn on a penny :engel016:
 
A little OT but I hate those canned sound effects in those helicopter filmed car chases. Especially Americas police chases with Sheriff John Bunnell.
Tires screechng on every turn,5 mph,screech,on a dirt road,screech.All the while being Filmed from 1/2 mile away from a heli.They have like 3 crash sounds, boom ,bang,smash.
The same news reporter who can see from that distance in a shaky heli that the driver has a gun on his lap. And can magically know the guys personal bio,criminal background and intent all while on the fly.
Still I cannot take my eyes off a good car chase.
 
stiz said:
yea same here, after all the only things thats different between a 109 and a bouchon is the nose, i'd rather have them and spits dogfighting than some silly cgi where the planes can turn on a penny :engel016:
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CGI over inaccurate real depictions. Tenfold!
 
My two 'pet peeve' movies involving aviation--these are the worst offenders out of many very bad Hollywood aviation disasters:

Die Hard II:
Widebody 707 (or 720) that is nearly empty of fuel, crashes when the terrists adjust the 'glideslope angle'. The aircraft explodes like a fully laden KC135 tanker--or like the NASA footage of the 720 crash at Edwards.

I also learned that a 747 uses a high-octane gasoline/rocket fuel mixture, as when our hero lights a stream of leaking fuel with his Zippo which causes the Jumbo, which has already taken flight, to explode like the Challenger.

I didn't realise that the C-123 was equipped with ejection seats.

Con Air:
Another type-mismatch between the interior (huge--almost C-5 sized) of the C-123 and the exterior.

We have a hostile aircraft approaching Las Vegas. I have an idea: let's scramble the SLOWEST and most obsolete aircraft available in the militairy's inventory to chase it.

There is a tunnel on the Las Vegas Strip?
 
Cazzie said:
Mud et al, all I can say is consider the source. :icon_lol:
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blimy whats this, the 1 year aniversary of the thread? :icon_lol:

a new one, anyone else notice that the corsairs in "the pacific" where dropping napalm with their gear down? :mixedsmi:
 
stiz said:
blimy whats this, the 1 year aniversary of the thread? :icon_lol:

a new one, anyone else notice that the corsairs in "the pacific" where dropping napalm with their gear down? :mixedsmi:
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I believe the F4U used to have the capability to partially extend its landing gear to use as dive brakes.
 
Don't even get me started on this, has anyone seen Stealth, apparently G force does not exist in there world, such an appauling film among many other, and if I see just one more M47 Patton being shown as a German Tiger I'm going to blow my own brains out!
 
oh my pet peeve are weapons and equipment in movies... but yes Tanks do sometimes surprise you a bit, aircraft even worse can be watching a film, aircraft comes on screen i sit up and get told "Don't even think about it..." needless to say i continue "ok what year is this supposed to be set?...1940, then why are there FW190's? they didn't appear till 1941...", other things as well like round size in firearms... TV this happens, take mythbusters' James bond special, Kari has a S&W99, which resembles a Walther P99, it is called on the show "....Bonds gun.."
Bond Uses a P99, which on another note is not standard issue to British security services... but this S&W99 is chambered for .40S&W...errrr ok... call it bonds gun. (Bond carries a P99 chambered in 9mm)...

i think i need to stop noticing these things.... :monkies:
 
Eh, I don't see what's wrong with the P99. He wasn't strictly issued it - he acquired it in Tomorrow Never Dies, and his ageing PPK probably needed replacing anyway.
 
Bjoern said:
I'm very close to throwing up everytime I see that spanish abomniation of a 109 disguised as an "Emil" in a movie about WW2.
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You'll be surprised how little real Messerschmitt 109's are still around; most are either rebuilt Buchons or Avia's.

;)

I believe the F4U used to have the capability to partially extend its landing gear to use as dive brakes.
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Correct!
 
ericts said:
Die Hard II:
Widebody 707 (or 720) that is nearly empty of fuel, crashes when the terrists adjust the 'glideslope angle'. The aircraft explodes like a fully laden KC135 tanker--or like the NASA footage of the 720 crash at Edwards.

I also learned that a 747 uses a high-octane gasoline/rocket fuel mixture, as when our hero lights a stream of leaking fuel with his Zippo which causes the Jumbo, which has already taken flight, to explode like the Challenger.

I didn't realise that the C-123 was equipped with ejection seats.
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Die Hard 2: here's a movie that shows us, that you can take down the ATC of a major airport with the chainsaw (and mount your own ATC in near by church).

and almost every aviaton related scene in this movie is wrongwronwrong:salute::salute::salute:
 
stiz said:
blimy whats this, the 1 year aniversary of the thread? :icon_lol:

a new one, anyone else notice that the corsairs in "the pacific" where dropping napalm with their gear down? :mixedsmi:
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Actually, that is a fine example of Hollywood exactitude, as you might expect from Messrs Hanks and Spielberg. On Peleleu the ridge that was the Japanese stronghold was less than thirty seconds flying from the airfield, so it made no sense to lift the gear when they'd be deplying it again less than two minutes later for landing and re-arming.

You can read confirmation of this: http://homepage.eircom.net/~frontacs/WBStored/F4UGearAsDivebrakes.html

Thereafter, the close drop pattern permitted by using napalm tanks dropped in this way permeated through the Marine Corps and the technique was used elsewhere...

So this is one time when getting it right mean they deserve apologies and praise rather than bitching and moaning.

Pedanticism aside, Hollywood seems to have very little aspiration toward technical accuracy in ANY flying scenes these days. Small errors and adjustments for availability are one thing (if there are no Messerschmitt 109's flying, then that's one of those `things`, but if you're going to commission a Messerschmitt CGI sequence, get the right make and models and liveries, fer crissakes!) but unforgivable errors crop up all the time - Our Hero boards a twin-engined jet, shortly thereafter find himself at the cockpit controls of something that clearly has four engines.

And totally agree with the earlier poster - these pulse-racing `through the canyons` dogfights are just total B*ll*x. The smart air-fighter would pull up, maintain contact with the target and swoop down for a `boom and zoom` when the target was forced to pull up and lose energy. Or simply shoot them down with a sidewinder from above.

It's the casual lethargy and laziness that really gets my goat. If they have to do it, do it RIGHT, the first time. It's no harder than doing it wrong and destroying any vestige of credibility. Library shots usually have the name and model of the aircraft, Simply ensure that you use the same make and model for ALL exterior shots and you don't even have to be an aviation expert to avoid the `boards high wing twin turboprop, leaves a low wing twin piston` syndrome.
 
ok ..ive got to popoff here..

criminal minds..show a gulf stream outside shot and then some interitor thats bigger than my RV...

but my biggest peeve lately.(but a fav show) is the mentalist..its based in old town sacramento (the CBI office)but they can drive to places like reno/lake tahoe in 10 minutes..that one isnt so bad..its a 2 hr drive from sacto...BUT they once went from the CBI office to deathvalley in less than a "tv" hour...and then back to the office and back to the crime scene all in one day...cracks me up...oh and citrus hieghts..which is in the sacramento valley IE flat lands..was in the same mountains and valleys that the MASH show was filmed in...
 
Bjoern said:
I know. But at least they got 'em back to a normal state (stock engine and front).
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So you're saying a Buchon painted like a Messerschmitt is worse than a Buchon rebuilt to look like a Messerschmitt :ques: ;)

BTW Most Ju-52's and He-111's still around came from a Spanish factory too.. :wiggle:
 
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