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OT: Hollywood makes me crazy.

My wife turned me on to LOST, all in all a pretty good show but she told me I would have to bite my tongue during the aviation scenes. She was right lol. But it happens in many fields of expertise as well as aviation. My lady is a horse expert and she has to hold her tongue when she sees all the equestrian mistakes made in TV/Films.

I avoided seeing Pearl Harbor because I thought it made too many goofs (from the previews)considering the large budget it had and access to CGI. IMO Tora Tora Tora may be old but it is still the best Pearl Harbor film out there.

Cheers
TJ
 
Smoothie said:
oh my pet peeve are weapons and equipment in movies... but yes Tanks do sometimes surprise you a bit, aircraft even worse can be watching a film, aircraft comes on screen i sit up and get told "Don't even think about it..." needless to say i continue "ok what year is this supposed to be set?...1940, then why are there FW190's? they didn't appear till 1941...", other things as well like round size in firearms... TV this happens, take mythbusters' James bond special, Kari has a S&W99, which resembles a Walther P99, it is called on the show "....Bonds gun.."
Bond Uses a P99, which on another note is not standard issue to British security services... but this S&W99 is chambered for .40S&W...errrr ok... call it bonds gun. (Bond carries a P99 chambered in 9mm)...

i think i need to stop noticing these things.... :monkies:
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He uses a P99 up until the latest film (Quantum of Solace) when I noticed he was back using the staple PPK I think, which would be a bit of a continuity blooper as it's supposed to follow straight on from Casino Royale?
 
MudMarine said:
God.....the list of aviation stupidity in Hollyweird movies is endless!
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Before the advent of computer graphics, there was a period of time that if you wanted to see authentic tanks and planes in a World War II movie you had to watch one made a few years after the war. Because at the time that the movie Midway was released, that was pretty much the end of the road for authentic vehicles.

Most movies then started using stuff from the Cold War or used T-6 Texans for everything from Kates to Zeros. If the movie called for a P-51 or a Corsair, you'd get that.

Unfortunately, now you get good looking c/g aircraft but they fly assinine tactics like we saw in that awful movie Pearl Harbor!

Ken
 
pilottj said:
My wife turned me on to LOST, all in all a pretty good show but she told me I would have to bite my tongue during the aviation scenes.
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What about the final episode where the captain says he can only try to restart the engines of a commercial airliner one more time because he doesn't have enough battery power for another attempt?

Not to mention trying to takeoff said airliner on a sandy runway?
 
Here is a true factoid ...

How many of you have seen the movie "Air Force One?"

Remember the scene near the end when the 747 crashes into the ocean?

Well, originally the producer and director were going to have the 747 blow up as it crashed. However, they had a crew from my old squadron there (8 SOS) flying the MC-130E during the dramatic Fulton recovery operation that was filmed for the movie.

Anyway, the flight engineer on that crew, Frank Demchenko "Heavy D", was speaking with the director and when he heard the plan to have the 747 blow up, he mentioned that if the script said the 747 experienced a four engine flameout from fuel starvation that it wouldn't blow up. There would be no fuel in the tanks and likely not even fuel vapors in the lines. But even if there were vapors left, with the engines flammed out, for any length of time, it would be almost impossible for the vapors to ignite due to the extremely high flash point temperature of Jet-A fuel.

He rightly said the 747 would simply break up. The director listened and decided to change the entire scene! So, that's why you see the evil guy in the door whinning just before the jet crashes and tears itself up into small pieces in a rather spectacular destruction.

A 100% true story folks!

BTW: Our squadron got a lot of cool stuff from the producers, including a signed poster that included Harrison Ford's signature!

Ken
 
Remember “Pearl Harbor”? (Hehe, get it?) That was a dumb movie. Ok, it was a love story, not an aviation story, but dang. I loved the air combat tactics developed, on the tarmac as our two intrepid pilots were about to strap on their trusty Curtis mounts: “Ok, you go south, around the water tower, and draw them around the hangar. I'll go north and draw the other 200 Zeros around the buildings the other way. Then when we meet up, we both pull up, and all 400 Zeros will smash into each other!”

And my favorite is the 10 minutes scene of the bomb dropping from the plane, and hitting Arizona, to deliver the fatal hit that doomed the ship. The bomb falls forever, then bursts through the armored deck, rolls around the magazine for several seconds, long enough for a startled sailor to come around the corner, get a wide-eyes expression of horror on his face, exclaim “Oh My God … It's a BOMB!” before the things “goes off”. I lost it at that point. That was it.
 
Just watched a fairly new movie a couple of days ago called "The Burning Plain", with Kim Bassinger and Charlize Theron. It's a great human story that I really liked and not an aviation flic.

An important element of the storyline involves a young man living in Mexico with his daughter who helps her dad run his small aerial crop dusting service. I was facinated by the fact that the aircraft was a Piper Cherokee set up with spray rigs. I've never seen one used for spraying. The flying scenes were brief but shot really well from great perspectives.

The blatant aviation blooper I didn't catch in my facination with the aircraft was that this Mexico based aircraft was flying back and forth the whole time with it's huge "N" registration number down the side. I read about the blooper afterwards reading info on the movie and some of the actors I didn't recognize.

FAC
 
I love it when our hero takes off from New York in a 727 for a non-stop flight to Los Angeles and lands in a 747. How do they do that? :icon_lol:
 
All I can say is this...

If I have to watch an unreal aviation clip to see the real image of Gabrielle Anwar...well, so what the heck!?

Marc :jump:
 
PRB said:
Remember “Pearl Harbor”? (Hehe, get it?) That was a dumb movie. Ok, it was a love story, not an aviation story, but dang. I loved the air combat tactics developed, on the tarmac as our two intrepid pilots were about to strap on their trusty Curtis mounts: “Ok, you go south, around the water tower, and draw them around the hangar. I'll go north and draw the other 200 Zeros around the buildings the other way. Then when we meet up, we both pull up, and all 400 Zeros will smash into each other!”

And my favorite is the 10 minutes scene of the bomb dropping from the plane, and hitting Arizona, to deliver the fatal hit that doomed the ship. The bomb falls forever, then bursts through the armored deck, rolls around the magazine for several seconds, long enough for a startled sailor to come around the corner, get a wide-eyes expression of horror on his face, exclaim “Oh My God … It's a BOMB!” before the things “goes off”. I lost it at that point. That was it.
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You know, the worst part of that junk is the blatant disrespect it shows to the men who died in that attack and also to the airmen who went up onesy, twosy, in their P-36's and P-40's to do battle with hundreds of Japanese aircraft, including a little known fighter, the A6M, that was vastly better performing than either aircraft, especially the P-36!

It disrespects their bravery and sacrifices. It implies that these assinine tactics could be used to defeat the enemy when, in reality, it had to be done by simply diving down on huge formations with no expectation of survival, and then getting bounced by dozens of Zeros that flew faster, turned tighter, and climbed better than your badly outnumbered fighter!

But they did it anyway, despite seeing dozens of their buddies getting blown to hell on the runway and apron getting bounced on the ground by strafing runs!

What these men did isn't some prop for Hollywood. What these movie producers must know is that this has to be done accurately out of simple respect for them. This is the approach used in Band of Brothers and Saving Private Ryan. Steven Speilberg had so much respect he sweated as many details as possible to get the little things right.

Ken
 
Ken Stallings said:
You know, the worst part of that junk is the blatant disrespect it shows to the men who died in that attack and also to the airmen who went up onesy, twosy, in their P-36's and P-40's to do battle with hundreds of Japanese aircraft, including a little known fighter, the A6M, that was vastly better performing than either aircraft, especially the P-36!

It disrespects their bravery and sacrifices. It implies that these assinine tactics could be used to defeat the enemy when, in reality, it had to be done by simply diving down on huge formations with no expectation of survival, and then getting bounced by dozens of Zeros that flew faster, turned tighter, and climbed better than your badly outnumbered fighter!

But they did it anyway, despite seeing dozens of their buddies getting blown to hell on the runway and apron getting bounced on the ground by strafing runs!

What these men did isn't some prop for Hollywood. What these movie producers must know is that this has to be done accurately out of simple respect for them. This is the approach used in Band of Brothers and Saving Private Ryan. Steven Speilberg had so much respect he sweated as many details as possible to get the little things right.

Ken
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Exactly!
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military and history channels

to me the worst offenders are my favorite channels.... the military and history channels. They constantly show footage of a plane that may have similar appearance to the plane being discussed at the particular point in their shows. You would think that if anyone would get it correct, it would be the shows on the military and history channels.
 
clmooring said:
to me the worst offenders are my favorite channels.... the military and history channels. They constantly show footage of a plane that may have similar appearance to the plane being discussed at the particular point in their shows. You would think that if anyone would get it correct, it would be the shows on the military and history channels.
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Amen!

Ken
 
Well..i agree with the Pearl Harbor looney tunes style dogfights, not to mention split second maneuvers that defies the simple laws of physics (and mostly..the simple laws of common sense)..worst offender EVER imho is Iron Eagle III..
But sometimes you get some really good scenes, even as the main equipment is wrong, i suggest you check "Steal the Sky" based in the real story of of Iraqi pilot Munir Redfa flying a Mig-21http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-21 fighter jet from Iraq to Israel in 1966, in the movie, they use Mig-17´s and is the BEST jet to jet dogfight scene i´ve seen (besides top gun, which besides the mig 28 had great aerial footage..c´mon those were real planes) in a mig to mig melee using real planes.

Best regards
Prowler
 
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