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OT Red Arrows

Personnally I prefer Commandant Virginie Guyot, ex combat proven Mirage F-1CR pilot and now "Athos 4" on the French Air Force Patrouille de
France ( PAF ).

It is also confirmed she will be LEADER ( Athos 1 ) of the PAF for 3 years
from the 2010 season.
:engel016:
VaporZ
 
Dang ! Good on Kirsty , Took a KIWI , Hmm to you guys a New Zealander to get the Red Arrows were it is today , now we need YOUR help , due to the proud leaders of this back water , our air force has some what been deleted partly due a .... um wont go there ... , please make a transfer . Ms Moore and Join the RNZAF , :running::medals:<input id="gwProxy" type="hidden"><!--Session data--><input onclick="jsCall();" id="jsProxy" type="hidden">
 
peter12213 said:
Gutted here lol it should be a male only club I say, whats next the pink arrows?
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Young man, your attitude is surprisingly last century. I would think that someone your age would have a better attitude concerning the abilities of women to perform in aviation.

USAF and Navy pilots (and I am sure other countries' armed forces) have proven the inability of a woman to perform in combat was an ignorant myth. As a member of the RAF, I would think you would be proud of her. Weekly she helps demonstrate to thousands through-out the world the flying skills of the RAF.
 
I'm sure the Russian all-female units that were amongst the top scoring tankbusters in IL-2s might have something to say about Peter's statements too. :173go1::d
 
IanP said:
I'm sure the Russian all-female units that were amongst the top scoring tankbusters in IL-2s might have something to say about Peter's statements too. :173go1::d
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I'd be all for having some all-female Russian units in the RAF...
 
let a guy from a male only unit chip in here.... females in the air force as Reds yes... ok it's been done and is acceptable i have no qualms, i just hope they don't let her be in charge of navigation "Kirsty we said France, Not Finland!", now i'll start running..... she's proved she has what it takes to be a Red, something others will not... I might be british but theres only one 'reds' i like, even peter will partially agree here, the 'Red Freds' :jump: (oh thats the Red Devils, Parachute Display Team of the British Army) :icon_lol:
 
Which half the Army refers to as the "Pink Pansies"... then hides behind the nearest tank. :d

I always preferred the Blue Eagles personally, but missed out on Av Tech by one place, so had to go Electronics Tech when I joined REME. ;)
 
Judging by the fact you're training to become a pilot yourself Peter, I'd have thought you'd be more appreciative of what this lady has achieved.

I'm not ignorant and believe she's done a splendid job and will be an asset to the team.
 
IanP said:
Which half the Army refers to as the "Pink Pansies"... then hides behind the nearest tank. :d
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In the Bundeswehr, "pink pansies" and tanks aren't too far off as the unit color of the panzer force on the uniform is pink.

Gets you a fair share of stupid remarks...

...but then again try to achieve something in the field if your armor refuses to move out. Ha!


Congratulations to that female pilot there. Illustrates yet again that this world is moving ever closer to equality.
 
Pink Pansies.... remind me to not buy you a pint for that :icon_lol: yeah to have gotten into the arrows she deserves it, it's tough going... to even be selected to train to become a red whats the requirements? is it 2 years on frontline unit and an operational deployment? equality.... yeah, women were given the chance to help us blokes up out of the gutter and what happened.... they tripped on their high heels and fell in with us :icon_lol: i'll start running now, i'm bound to find an angry mob at my door shortly... i'll go hide behind an AS90 :icon_lol:
 
I have no qualms with any woman in any service as long as they can haul their own load. I do not believe in "lesser standards" like the USAF does for women. Men and women should be held to the EXACT same standard, and it used to piss me off that women would have to perform less physically than men in in the same career fields. Let's face it, if you can't haul my ass out of a bunker hole, you might not as well be in the same hole!

That's all I will say about that.
 
Given that the standard of medical I had to pass to get into the Army was lower than the standard required for women and that the current standard required is lower than either, you can see how difficult the forces are now finding it to recruit.
 
peter12213 said:
Gutted here lol it should be a male only club I say, whats next the pink arrows?
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peter12213 said:
Well it would be if she was nice looking but she's not, she's ugly and ginger loool !!!
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I debated if I should even reply to these comments. But then, my values and moral standards compelled me to do so. Not just my morals and values but also the fact I'm female.

Let's face it, depending on the field, the job, men or women will make better candidates. Men are better than women at some things and women are better than men at others. That has always been and always will be. I recognize that it's a fact of life.

However, when I see the younger generation making demeaning comments like the ones quoted above, it not only disappoints me but it saddens me as well. Those comments were totally uncalled for. I strongly believe Flight Lieutenant Kirsty Moore had to work hard to earn that position with the Red Arrows. I would also trust that the Royal Air Force picked the BEST candidate for the position. After reading the story piece about her, I am convinced she was the best candidate. She has earned and deserved the right to be part of the Red Arrows Team.

To call her ugly and refer to her hair as being "ginger" is not only demeaning but it is also crass. Peter12213, I am hoping, as you grow older, that you will start seeing people for WHO they are and what they have inside, versus what they look like.

At this point, I will not question your integrity and I will instead blame your lack of maturity.

Friendly advice: Grow up!

Regards,

C9G :female:
 
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