P3 ..... an update.....

I think the swastika looked like an ancient Greek symbol

Hindu.....1000's of years old and ironically a symbol of peace.
Hitler displayed it the wrong way round, maybe on purpose to give it the reverse meaning
I think he used it because the Romans used it too
 
The swastika or Hakenkreuz was previously adapted by many in the Freikorps, nationalist militias which fought the red units in Germany during the post WWI turmoil. Since many Freikorps types became Nazi's, this probably has a bit to do with it.
 
Hello,
for what i have read and heard the swastika is indeed an ancient indian symbol for the rising sun, and it was used mirror-inverted by the National socialists. The word "swastika" itself comes from the sanskrit, and is used in hinduism and buddhism religion. Since the celtic tribes derived from the indo-european peoples the swastika remained a symbol that was connected to the rising sun, fertility and what not.

As an old german ornament the swastika was rediscovered by german national movements at the turn of the century. A lot of jewish people were as nationalistic as their protestant and catholic compatriots and also used it. Jewish people had of course fought for their country as soldiers against the Entente, and a Bavarian squadron in palestine had helped the jewish population against attacks and pillaging of some arabian tribes.
There were "certainly" people who already believed in a "jewish world conspirancy" before the 1930ies, also in England and the US (e.g. Mr. Ford).

The "Freikorps" in Germany recruited from all kinds of people, often fighting against each other for power, not only against the red. The situation in Germany was a mess after the war, due to all kinds of problems. The mirror-inverted swastika ("Hakenkreuz") became the symbol of the national socialistic party banner in 1920, and later the political symbol of the Nazi regime.

Greetings,
Catfish
 
My best wishes to the off team

Hello you good people in the off team

thank you for the update on phase 3 i think your all doing a remarkable job on this wonderful addon. I have downloaded all your movies and have enjoyed them immensely. I am waiting for my pc to be serviced and ready for phase 3 when it is relased.

I wish you all well with this addon and you certainly deserved a long and well earnt rest.

Best wishes to you all

gary kidman
 
wow, what a description.......!!

Thanks OVS, you got me nailed to my chair with your description of flying OFF P3! Almost biting my fingernails of while waiting for its release:costumes: Regards, hertzie.
 
Yes when finished, the team should try to take a holiday. Maybe somewhere like this:

cold_bahama_sunset.jpg
 
nio said:
Hey Spiny.Good to see you back here.Extension finished? Surely your Christmas present is assured?

Best

nio

:wavey:
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Hi Nio! :ernae:

The new hanger (aka 'The Extension') at Spiny's Drome is all done, thanks. Phew! But plenty of other domestic chores & crises to keep me off the streets and away from the cockpit/keyboard :rolleyes:. Just hope the C.O. has kept a tally of all those Brownie points, eh?

I do pop in and lurk around once in a while. Good to see all the old characters are still rattling around here too, keeping us informed and entertained. Shame, though, that all the old posts were lost in that server-prang!

Looking forward to some good Phase 3 action and maybe 'Boys of 60' sessions. Hoping the old crate (PC) can take it! The C.O.'s generosity won't extend to re-equiping with the latest marque. I bet my crate is even older and more bodged-up than Nod's machine. Rescued from the scrapheap... the mechanics did marvels to get her back to operational conditon..

all the best and happy flying

Spiny

Salute to all!
 
Catfish, is it true?

Catfish said:
Hello,
for what i have read and heard the swastika is indeed an ancient indian symbol for the rising sun, and it was used mirror-inverted by the National socialists. The word "swastika" itself comes from the sanskrit, and is used in hinduism and buddhism religion. Since the celtic tribes derived from the indo-european peoples the swastika remained a symbol that was connected to the rising sun, fertility and what not.

As an old german ornament the swastika was rediscovered by german national movements at the turn of the century. A lot of jewish people were as nationalistic as their protestant and catholic compatriots and also used it. Jewish people had of course fought for their country as soldiers against the Entente, and a Bavarian squadron in palestine had helped the jewish population against attacks and pillaging of some arabian tribes.
There were "certainly" people who already believed in a "jewish world conspirancy" before the 1930ies, also in England and the US (e.g. Mr. Ford).

The "Freikorps" in Germany recruited from all kinds of people, often fighting against each other for power, not only against the red. The situation in Germany was a mess after the war, due to all kinds of problems. The mirror-inverted swastika ("Hakenkreuz") became the symbol of the national socialistic party banner in 1920, and later the political symbol of the Nazi regime.

Greetings,
Catfish
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THAT the use of the swastika in any form in Germany is punishable by a prison term and this would include gameing and flight sim's? that is the concensus over at the il-2 forume.

PD

As you well know i am not in any way shape or form trying to open a can of worms here but rather am inquisitive if this is indeed the case.
 
Pilotsden,

the use of the swastika in any form is indeed forbidden in Germany. Except in museums, media about history and history books. Games like IL-2 or Return to Castle Wolfenstein are sold in a 'cleaned up' variant for Germany as they are no documents or media of historical interest. A game containing national-socialistic symbolism is strictly forbidden to be sold or to be possessed. If the use of the symbols comes near sedition then it is likely to be punished with a prison term for it.

Cheers
 
From the Internet: There are numerous exceptions, which grant special license to artists, educators and filmmakers. Displaying a swastika if used satirically or as part of an anti-Nazi political statement is not against the law. Likewise, using a swastika in a historical or satirical context is completely legal (two examples: the German movies 'Downfall' - a historical movie about Hitler's last days in the bunker - and 'Mein Führer - Die wirklich wahrste Wahrheit über Adolf Hitler' - a satirical movie, were Hitler is played by a German comedian.)

The relevant excerpt[81] of the German criminal code reads: Subsection (1) shall not be applicable if the means of propaganda or the act serves to further civil enlightenment, to avert unconstitutional aims, to promote art or science, research or teaching, reporting about current historical events or similar purposes. ... (2) Symbols, within the meaning of subsection (1), shall be, in particular, flags, insignia, uniforms, slogans and forms of greeting.
 
What is truly relevant is....

Will, BHAH be available to considered as a Christmas present to myself....
 
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