P36 exclusive screenshots

[MudMarine]

Somehow i dont think the one you flew in IL-2 is going to be the same..
Words of advice. Hold the nose up on takeoff, increment flap retraction and dont start retract the flaps till you hit 160 mph. Watch your speed, and lookout for the stall.. its a killer. The plane pancakes a bit once the flaps are up but nothing to worry about if your expecting it. once your in the air Enjoy she flies like a homesick angel..

Sounds like FUN!!!

 

[warchild]

Well, Thanks to Paul ( no pressure Paul .. Muahahahahahahahaaaaa ) i think we have a flight model to be proud of.. considering that whatever works on my machine, breaks on his, he's been never tiring and always there. His insights and advice are a major force behind us driving this to whole new levels.. I dont think we're quite done yet.
Pam

 

[crashaz]

Hmm note to self... when talking off at Hickam Field... take off towards the east and not the west. That drop would feel better bellylanding out there than in the hills and trees to the West. :d

 

[txnetcop]

SWEEEEEEEEETTTTTTTT!!!!!!!
Ted
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[Ken Stallings]

I'm speechless!

Those screen shots of the virtual cockpit are exquisite, and even that word seems inadequate, but it's the best I can think of.

I've seen a lot of stuff released over the years, but I cannot think of another work that matches what I just saw.

Bar-raising material folks!

Ken

 

[warchild]

For spins :

DO NOT reduce power: go to full power on.
DO NOT center the elevator: Go to full elevator
DO NOT counter the spin with the rudder; Either center it or go full rudder in the direction of the spin
HANG ON:
CLOSE YOUR EYES
and PRAY you got enough air between you and the ground.

The p-36 had some very unique and violent spin behaviors. we havent quite accomplished that level of violence yet and we're not positive fsx will allow it, but we are in the ball park. The spin behavior was fixed by Curtiss on the P-40 by placing scoops under the leading edge of each wing, but nothing was retrofitted to the P-36.. I'm going to keep trying to make it more real..

 

[warchild]

I'm speechless!

Those screen shots of the virtual cockpit are exquisite, and even that word seems inadequate, but it's the best I can think of.

I've seen a lot of stuff released over the years, but I cannot think of another work that matches what I just saw.

Bar-raising material folks!

Ken

Thanks Ken
Thats what we're hoping to do with this one.. By we, i dont mean just my giys, but Dean and the team at vertigo as well.. They're really giving it their very best..

 

[Skittles]

For spins :

DO NOT reduce power: go to full power on.
DO NOT center the elevator: Go to full elevator
DO NOT counter the spin with the rudder; Either center it or go full rudder in the direction of the spin
HANG ON:
CLOSE YOUR EYES
and PRAY you got enough air between you and the ground.

The p-36 had some very unique and violent spin behaviors. we havent quite accomplished that level of violence yet and we're not positive fsx will allow it, but we are in the ball park. The spin behavior was fixed by Curtiss on the P-40 by placing scoops under the leading edge of each wing, but nothing was retrofitted to the P-36.. I'm going to keep trying to make it more real..

That sounds to me like the method to get out of a flat spin. Doing any of those monouvres in ANY aircraft which is spinning 'properly' and you'll just prolong the spin. :salute:

 

[MudMarine]

I know the first thing I'm going to do with this plane........STALL IT!!

 

[peter12213]

Yes same here, I believe there might be many of a crash reported once it's out lol! :salute:

 

[PRB]

For spins :

DO NOT reduce power: go to full power on.
DO NOT center the elevator: Go to full elevator
DO NOT counter the spin with the rudder; Either center it or go full rudder in the direction of the spin
HANG ON:
CLOSE YOUR EYES
and PRAY you got enough air between you and the ground.

Ok, I'm a little fuzzy on the spin recovery procedures here. Should I close my eyes before I start praying? Can I just hang on and close my eyes?

Can't wait to practice stalls! I'm going up to 7,000 feet first, though...

 

[MudMarine]

I'm just wondering.....I'm supposed to keep my eyes open while flying? I think PRB can attest to my flying skills, my eyes are closed most of the time!

 

[Ian Warren]

Hmm Dean , the Airspeed Oxford , that would be a big NZ hit , we had just over 300 operating around New Zealand in the training role of course , currently in the hanger at Wigram getting refurbished , a Consul/Envoy , the wings are detached and well on its way to have it brought back up to a standard with it possibly the fuselage being brought inline with the Oxford , the entire aircraft is pretty much complete but simply needs TLC !
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[huub vink]

Really beautiful images from the cockpit Dean! When I read your post Pam, it will be a real challenge to fly this beauty!

Cheers,
Huub

 

[Bomber_12th]

The P-36 should be a delightful airplane to fly as long as you stay away from spins. Spins are prohibited even in the P-40, for being violent, and according to a few reports I have read, they are even more violent in the P-36, as Pam has stated. Stalls, as long as they are coordinated and not accelerated, should be uneventful and very conventional. I know the P-40 had the 'best ailerons' of any of the allied aircraft in WWII - being very responsive and quick in rolling maneuvers - and I'd guess it must be close to the same or identical with the P-36. The aircraft should have no problem what-so-ever, taking off, without any need for flaps (I've never heard of a P-36 or P-40 needing flaps for takeoff, since they tend to get airborne very effectively without them), and I'd caution anyone in the real thing to wait till 160 mph to raise flaps, if you have any at all on take off, since I think 140 is maximum flap speed, though I need to look it up again. All you have to watch for on landing is the narrow-track gear, otherwise it should be an easy airplane to land.

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[Bomber_12th]

And another good video can be found here (showing a very conventional, straight-forward 3-point landing toward the end):

http://www.flightlevel350.com/Aircraft_Curtiss_P-36_Hawk-Airline_Private_Aviation_Video-7116.html

As long as I can do anything reminiscent of the flying in these videos, and get the same results, I'll be happy.

 

[Deano]

Hi John, thanks for the heads-up

 

[Bomber_12th]

Perhaps as a testimony to the aircraft's flying abilities, I remember Stephen Grey (owner/founder of The Fighter Collection) commenting that while flying the aircraft for the first times around Chino, California, where TFC's Hawk 75 was restored, he was very disappointed in that he never got the opportunity to roll the aircraft, since he was always in class-airspace or had other things on the agenda. As soon as it got to Duxford, and assembled, he couldn't wait to take it up and put it through its paces.

Some photos from those early flights:
http://hawksnest.1hwy.com/Survivors/TFCHawk75.html

 

[Deano]

On the subject of landing gear... what kind of forces would create a gear collapse

As we will be offering some failures with this one, none engine related.

We already started modelling (possibly) the oldest Airfield in France which will accompany the Hawk, few hangars and stationary aircraft of the Hawk and possibly the Morane Saulnier MS406

 

[huub vink]

The oldest airfield from France.....

We already started modelling the oldest Airfield in France.........

Dean,

You make me curious... and I gave it a long thought. Viry-Châtillon South of Paris already existed in 1909. Lyon however already had an airfield in 1907. Mulhouse already had an airfield in 1906, but I think this region was German in those days..... Étampes is quite old but I don't think it is that old.

So I give up, which airfield is in the making?

Huub