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  • Please see the most recent updates in the "Where did the .com name go?" thread. Posts number 16 and 17.

    Post 16 Update

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Payware vs, Freeware.

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Helldiver

Charter Member 09
"Perhaps us Freeware buffs should have a site on our own."

And who will set it up, fund it and maintain it HD?????????
Just go with the SOH list.
And a PS, please refrain from insulting people who support the commercial developers, choice is a wonderful option and it costs nothing to be polite.

:kilroy:
 
Thanks Walter:ernae:

You know Bob when we go to all the trouble of creating a definative list of all the FsX freeware aircraft available and take the trouble to keep it updated and permanently stickied...and then I read a post like yours above, I wonder why the heck we bother...but then I know why, because we are dedicated to the world of simming.
At first I thought about kicking this thread to the dungeon but then I thought better of it and decided to leave it for all to read

Here's the thread... http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/showthread.php?58094-FsX-native-freeware-aircraft-list
 
Rezabrya said:
I am just curious as to how buying payware makes you have more money than brains?
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If that was really true, what's to be said about payware developers... :X

:mixedsmi: :mixedsmi: :mixedsmi:


I'm glad people who want to buy better quality planes can do so. I'm glad people who want free planes can get free planes.
 
Roger said:
You know Bob when we go to all the trouble of creating a definative list of all the FsX freeware aircraft available and take the trouble to keep it updated and permanently stickied...and then I read a post like yours above, I wonder why the heck we bother...but then I know why, because we are dedicated to the world of simming.
At first I thought about kicking this thread to the dungeon but then I thought better of it and decided to leave it for all to read
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think helldiver is talking bout summing different, and to be fair to helldiver he does kinda have a point. Its got nothing to do with stuff allready released, its when you come onto the forum one day, see a "*insert never done before favorite plane* is out!!!" thread, get all excited, then find it'll cost ya £25, tis kind of a downer. However i think 2 different forums for new freeware releases and payware releases isnt the right way to go, be easier to just *payware* or *freeware* in the thread title :)


If that was really true, what's to be said about payware developers... :X
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more brains than money? :icon_lol:
 
You guys are missing my point. I'm not talking to whats benn released. I'm talking about NEW aircraft. You have no way of knowing if there free or you got to reach deep into your pocket. Francois, at 83, I've got all the brains I'll ever need. In fact I'm losing some.
Roger, I could have figured that you'd find something in what I wrote to censor. You completely missed my point.
 
Perhaps when a moderator stickies the post then, they could edit it with a title?

For example, "New bubble boy plane released!"

... would be:

"(Freeware) New bubble boy plane released!"

Just a thought.
 
Helldiver said:
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Roger, I could have figured that you'd find something in what I wrote to censor. You completely missed my point.
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Nothing censored in your post by me Bob. I guess one of the moderators found the combative tone to be a step too far.
The freeware FsX spreadsheet, which is updated on a regular basis will tell you if it's freeware or not. As to adding a freeware tag to a stickied post; that isn't difficult but invariably if the download address is SOH or Avsim, Simv, Flightsim etc. it will be freeware.
 
With all due respect to everyone,

When I read a thread like this one, I have to laugh! Flightsimming at SOH, the only place I know of where people can actually argue about nothing!

All very humorous. Thanks for the laugh.

Oh, oh, here comes the flak...better get my head down.
 
Having had nothing to do with editing posts I will attempt to get this back on track. :salute:

In his initial post Helldiver expressed a desire to have a separate area here for payware releases, or at least have a system to inform the reader as to whether a given release was freeware or payware.
Would it be reasonable if the party that originally posts about a product be expected to clarify that point in his announcement?
 
Seems reasonable to tag them some way, but then again, I am not an administrator or moderator of this site and would not presume to know how best to achieve that.

As a user of both payware and freeware, I appreciate what both provide and their respective shortcomings as well.

Personally, I presume items are payware until otherwise informed when it comes to aircraft models themselves. I assume re-paints are generally freeware, and that utilities are freeware. I can't say what has brought me to that point, it's just how my mind's working....
 
Helldiver said:
You guys are missing my point. I'm not talking to whats benn released. I'm talking about NEW aircraft. You have no way of knowing if there free or you got to reach deep into your pocket. Francois, at 83, I've got all the brains I'll ever need. In fact I'm losing some.
Roger, I could have figured that you'd find something in what I wrote to censor. You completely missed my point.
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Perhaps a freeware spellchecker might be a good place to start.
 
I think the bottom line on this issue is that at the present time, there are no procedures in place to allow for distinguishing between freeware offerings or new payware offerings. Though its true that most payware is quite obviously just that, there remains some as Helldiver discovered, that hide the payware part somewhere at the bottom of the page.. Currently, moderators have little control over presentation. We see a new post regarding a new release and we sticky it, but declaring whether a plane is free or pay is responsibility of the original poster. Since the only projects we are directly involved with are our own, we cant know whether a particular plane is going to cost money or not. Therefore it would be though not impossible, certainly quite time consuming and tedious to set up a secondary area, or even send out letters to various groups to discover if their new plane fits either category. Add to that that most moderators here have real lives, real jobs, real families, our own products to finish, already spend several hours a day logged in here, and you begin to see how cumbersome and unwieldy this could be. We need to be able to trust that OP's will make clear the status of the aircraft they announce ( whether free or pay ) but that wont always happen. However, We moderators are here to help maintain a civil and respectable climate and not act as a police force of marketing and advertising. I'm sorry.. Thats just the way it has to be..
Pam
 
The option of having separate freeware and payware forums have been discussed on previous. For practical reasons like where do you leave a freeware repaint for a payware model, or should we move all threads about a model when the publisher decides to make one of his model available as freeware. And because most of our members are interested in both payware as freeware we have decided many moons ago that the forums would stay linked to the flightsim.

I was fully supporting this decision when it was taken and as I haven't seen any recent development to change my opinion, I'm still fully behind that decision.

Cheers,
Huub

BTW I would support a separate forum for WWII AXIS propeller driven aircraft...... :icon_lol:
 
Roger said:
Nothing censored in your post by me Bob. I guess one of the moderators found the combative tone to be a step too far.
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To set this straight it transpires that another admin meaning to "reply with quote" clicked "edit" and consequently Bob's post was edited with the admin's reply. For this we can only apologise.
I will only actually edit a post if the contents are against the rules of the SOH and/or common decency.
 
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