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Sundog said:
There is one I know I would like to upgrade, but I think it would require a lot of building upgrades as well.
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I started by wanting to do my local airports, KMMH and KBIH. I was fascinated with ORBX ground cover vegetation. I have lisenced software, so I used their libraries to enhance my airports...originally. That evolved into me learning how to make my own vegetation. Great fun once you figure it out. No one makes Sage or Rabbit Brush that is worth a ____, so I made my own. Now the sky is the limit.

Bottom line is that you can use ORBX libraries to do the airport you are considering. If you have a lisenced copy, you have the libraries. If not, I GAR UN TEEE it is a good investment.

Let me say now that I am not here to promote ORBX. I just like the software and what it allows me to do. Just wanted to make that clear. If I had the budget I'd buy the whole lot, but even then it's a big world and I doubt ORBX has the resources to canvas each airport...at least not yet.

To the point...for Mammoth Yosemite and Eastern Sierra I created all of my own structures. In my estimation the effort was well worth it, but it WAS like eating an elephant. If you are task oriented you may really enjoy taking this on. I'm task oriented and can't walk away from a challenge, so this was a fit for me.

If there's any way I can help with your project you I'd be glad to share any and all of what I have learned in this process. I really appreciate your input and comments.

RE: "Nice landings"...watch the Bryant/Kingair vid real close. I just upgraded my AccuFeel 2 with the new patch, and the Kingair went ape ___ berzerk when I hit the brakes too hard. Thanks Scott....LOL

G
 
Timbohobo said:
Looks great gman, and its nice to know you respect our EULAs
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Thanks for the compliment Tim.

I've had my art poached so many times I've lost track over the course of my career.
I'm a common law guy and accept accountability for my contracts. If we don't have honor, we don't really have much...do we?

Cheers,
Gordon
 
Great work, clearly you have a talent for scenery design and the results are very pleasing.

However, as has been alluded to in this thread you are not allowed to use Orbx library objects in any way, shape or form for any project, scenery or extension even for personal use. I request that your video link be taken down and the screenshots removed from this topic since they show a violation of our EULA.

However, I do feel that we should not let your design flair go to waste and if you are interested in creating some freeware using our libraries which Orbx can host and share from our official site, then by all means do get in touch with us at info@orbxsystems.com

Please don't be discouraged; I genuinely like what you've done, but as a former software business owner you must understand we guard our IP diligently and we have no plans to license it to 3PDs since our libs have cost a huge amount of time and money to develop and are a key differentiator. We may at some point offer an Orbx FTX SDK to be licensed but there will be strict publishing rules around the produced content which will be controlled likely via an Orbx run freeware or app store type setup. Early days yet, but yes we have thought along those lines for some time.

Looking forward to hearing from you.

John Venema
Orbx CEO
 
I am a lawyer and business man. I understand fully the need for businesses like Orbx to protect their commercial interests.

Funny thing is, as I followed this most impressive thread, it built up a strong desire to buy any other Orbx scenery I don't already have. Until I read your post John which poured cold water on it.

My point is sometimes enforcing IP rights on things that are technically a breach of copyright can paradoxically stifle activities that commercially promote and create demand for the protected IP. The best example of this is the ridiculously anal position of Gulfstream and a small minority of other aerospace manufacturers who fail to see that a more liberal position on using their images in FS would in fact be beneficial to their shareholders and provide some free promotion and advertising. It is often a case of the lawyers not seeing the forest for the trees.

That said, I respect your position and the policy of Orbx and pleased you have kept the door open for Gordon's fine work to continue.
 
koorby said:
you are not allowed to use Orbx library objects in any way, shape or form for any project, scenery or extension even for personal use.
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I would be curious to understand what do you earn or protect with such a restriction ?
Restricting the distribution of such mods as freeware or payware, I can understand. But preventing somebody from using the files he paid for ? Really ?
 
koorby said:
However, as has been alluded to in this thread you are not allowed to use Orbx library objects in any way, shape or form for any project, scenery or extension even for personal use. I request that your video link be taken down and the screenshots removed from this topic since they show a violation of our EULA.
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Thank you for your response.

On the record here, I will honor your request and remove the art and posts from this site and YouTube. I'm sure everyone on this thread will understand the nature of your presentment and support this action without objection.

1. I have considered your offer to remove the protected propety from my personal software and find no objection to your terms. If you accept my terms that this will be done immediately without requirement for verification, we will have an agreement.

2. With regard to the images in this thread and on my personal page, I have deleted my albums containing the indicated property from this site.

3. I will contact amin. here to have the images removed from the posts that I can no longer edit. If these terms are acceptable to you, we have an agreement.

4. The YouTube videos are removed.

To anyone on this thread who may feel inclined to comment, please refrain from any negative comments or contributions. This presentment was made in honor and I in turn will respect the contract. ORBX retains the right to protect their intellectual property as they see fit, and defined within the terms of their contract.

Regarding my personal software, my own work is to the point that I can modify my airports using my own technology. Removing ORBX IP from my own designs does not present any damage or hardship, as I have been systematically populating my designs with my own IP.

I view ORBX as a fine product and will continue to consider their various payware contributions as they are offered.

Please note that the gentleman has also provided remedy, which I will take under consideration.

Gman
 
Daube said:
I would be curious to understand what do you earn or protect with such a restriction ?
Restricting the distribution of such mods as freeware or payware, I can understand. But preventing somebody from using the files he paid for ? Really ?
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I agree. If I can't even use the elements of a program I paid for, personally on my machine, then that is something that I would consider before buying any more products. I don't like buying things that I can decided how to use as I see fit. Redistributing the product, I can see the issue with.
 
koorby said:
... you are not allowed to use Orbx library objects in any way, shape or form for any project, scenery or extension even for personal use. I request that your video link be taken down and the screenshots removed from this topic since they show a violation of our EULA.

John Venema
Orbx CEO
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Could be worse! What if FSX had been put out by Orbx instead of Microsoft!!!:icon_lol:
 
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GMAN, I am here to help in any way possible removing pictures, videos, etc. I have access to all threads and can do what you need.
 
Thanks Gordon, please check the thread and replace your images as you need to. The originals are gone. Hopefully I selected the correct ones. If you need help placing new images just let me know.
 
Thanks guys for complying with my request, much appreciated.

Just in our defence (and I am not lawyer, but we've spent lots of $$$ on them sadly), we sell licenses to use our software, not a copy of the actual software itself. You don't ever own it, just the right to use it.

Microsoft Flight Simulator X is no different (read their EULA) in that you are not allowed to modify any of their files in the core simulator. However Orbx was given written permission to do so after meeting with ACES back in 2007, specifically because to create FTX we had to modify global files and swap them in and out. Of course FSX has a published SDK with which you can create new content, but just like Orbx's IP you are not allowed to use any part of FSX bundled with your products that you create and distribute.

This restriction is placed on most licensed software in the world today, simply because companies like Orbx have spent literally millions of dollars over many years to develop our IP and to allow any designer to use it for their own projects would be both foolish and fiscal suicide.

Our libraries are there for the benefit of our customers and are downloadable from our website for free to make it easier for our customers to stay current, but not to give developers carte blanche access to our objects so they can assemble airports and scenery. If you find this objectionable then you perhaps do not fully understand the nature of the software industry.

That said, I have contacted G and would welcome his contributions to freeware to be published via our website for the benefit of everyone.
 
To clarify any residual issues following the recent exchanges in this thread.

I view the participants in these forums to be my peers of equal and, for the most part, superior talents to mine. My objective here is to share my energy with others in the interest of enhancing our digital domain(s).

My energy is my value and I am always willing to entertain offers to exchange value for value.
In my agreement to keep business and politics separate from this forum, I would request that any offers to exchange or guard value be tendered privately through PM.

That being said, I would like to acknowledge Mr. Venema & ORBX for clarifying their position on IP use via this open forum.
 
I am glad that parties involved in this thread have expressed their views in a gentlemanly way and for that I thank you all. I can't see that there is anything else to add here so I will close the thread so we can all move on.
 
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