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Piper Aztec Steams ahead

Very interesting development.

There are great upsides to Steam as a content delivery platform. For example, I bought a good amount of TS2016 content in the recent sale, and the install of that content took literally *seconds* of my time, and perhaps 30 minutes worth of download time. Updates to my embarrassingly large Steam library happen with no interaction on my desktop, and whenever I like on my laptop. I have several games that even save to the cloud, letting me play the same save game on my desktop or my laptop.

But even as a heavy Steam user, and one with FSX:SE installed and happily in use for the last several months, I have yet to purchase a single FSX addon through Steam.

I honestly don't know why that is, but it's never interested me in the slightest to do so.

Perhaps there's some sort of mental block there - I'm used to storing and dealing with all of my FSX addons in a certain way, very hands on, very picky, and the thought of relinquishing control to Steam doesn't sit well with me. And yet, I'm more than willing to let Orbx irreversibly muck about in there...

Anyhow... I hope it works out for you. There may well be an Aztec in my future.
 
Day and night shots of the instrument panel and a shot enroute from YMAY to YSCB. More to come later tonight.
 

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bazzar said:
Not at all Roger. Let's look at it in reverse. Buy a B17F from us or one of our vendors and let's say you use Steam. What you gonna do...?:engel016:
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I can install any aircraft, from any vendor (including FS9 port-overs) into my FSX Steam Edition without any difficulties. In fact non of my add-ons have been purchased through Steam and all work fine.
 
I have always held the very firm belief that if you buy something, you own it. What you then do with it in the privacy of your own home is entirely your affair. And perish the day that ever changes.:engel016:
 
So...ALL of my FSX aircraft are installed and work in P3D...are you saying it WILL NOT work in P3D? I respect your decision, but I don't agree that dovetail is the future for our hobby. P3Dv3 is lightyears ahead of FSX...especially v3. And I'm not talking about the avatars. What's under the hood is truly what is amazing. Plus we're talking about the development of the sim by one of the world's largest defense contractors...their revenue stream is alternate and their development does not coincide with retail sales. So they make the best decisions for the sim based on real world needs, not what they hope will make more money. It's really a win win for the hobbyist turned "student" of aeronautics. Anyway. Hopefully it will work...I do like to support the devs around here! We are a small group....further fracturing of it seems counter intuitive. Looks fantastic all the same!
 
I would agree Rick, except for one major thing. P3D is not officially a leisure product and until it becomes so cannot represent a secure future for leisure-based simming. As you may be aware, it is a minefield for developers producing leisure market products. Dovetail have declared their intent and that is good enough for me. But as I keep saying, this is a first toe in the water. We'll see what the future brings. Right now Steam is on sale again which represents a pretty cheap entry level to this hobby of ours and hardly a financial risk for anyone.:engel016:
 
Well, I understand the decision from a business perspective, but as a customer and a FSX boxed only user it feels like the Aztec release is forcing me in a certain direction, and I don't like being forced.

I did purchase the Steam edition when it was just released, but as a back-up. I will only switch to Steam if I have to re-install FSX boxed edition.

Again, I am disappointed that the AzTec release will only be available to a certain group of customers, but I understand.
 
I, for one, don't understand the decision from a business perspective.
Of course, making the addon available on Steam is very good. No question about that.
But making it available ONLY on Steam makes no sense at all. Because it will limit the amount of customers. Especially the historic ones.

If you wanted to support Dovetail, a limited-time exclusivity like OrbX does would have been more than sufficient.
 
As I have already said, this is a business decision. Without being in possession the facts (which I am certainly not going into here) I am not surprised that you do not understand.:engel016:
 
I haven't got FSX-SE so this will be one I won't be getting - having invested heavily in FSX boxed and P3D, I can't justify getting yet another sim just for the occasional add-on. Good luck to AH though.
 
Very disappointing, have the Lockheed Electra and was looking forward to the Aztec, won't happen now.
Releasing for Steam is fine, exclusively on Steam leaves a bad taste...
Cheers
Keith
 
So how many of you guys is now going to buy FSX-SE ?

My main sim is FSX-SE. It works very well and I use it more than P3D, but I dont like this Steam closed environment thing to be honest.

BTW, sweet loking AC, not something I want right now, but thats just me and nothing else.:teapot:
 
bazzar said:
As I have already said, this is a business decision. Without being in possession the facts (which I am certainly not going into here) I am not surprised that you do not understand.:engel016:
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This sounds very eerily like language used because of an NDA, or something similar, with Dovetail. Sounds like our friend here may be making some official content soon. ;)
 
Typically 'exclusive' agreements involve commercial incentives, I suspect this is the case here rather than an NDA. Steam and Dovetail are both known for this I think...

However I do understand it's a challenge to make a living creating flight-sim addons, and every little helps, just trying to give some feedback that it will alienate some customers.

Cheers
Keith
 
donnybalonny said:
So how many of you guys is now going to buy FSX-SE ?

My main sim is FSX-SE. It works very well and I use it more than P3D, but I dont like this Steam closed environment thing to be honest.

BTW, sweet loking AC, not something I want right now, but thats just me and nothing else.:teapot:
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Oh Steam isn't a closed environment.

Within your steam folder, common, FSX folder it's the same folder structure as FSX has always been, and just as flexible and open inside.

Steam as a platform is epic. I use it for all my gaming. I LOVE the idea of having my addons in steam too, to just redownload at the click of a button on any pc I choose to put FSX on, but I moved on from FSX, so meh.

Bazzar: A tip, you've made your point abundantly clear, believe me, I totally undersand this choice, from your position as developers, you must do what puts bread on the table, and what means a more secure future for you and your staff. We the customer don't dictate that, no customer should.

But stop repeatedly insisting the same point about it being a business decision every time someone challenges you. You're in the right here, they want an answer? read up to your last post. They can see what you said. Stand behind your words and don't feel you need to defend yourself repeatedly. Your money, your business, your choice.

Anyway, you said very clearly above exactly what most missed... you believe once someone 'buys' something, it's theirs to do with as they wish.

I just hope FSX SE's installation pathway in the installer isn't calling for the SE.exe and can be pointed at say... my fsx:SE instalation on my... erm, desktop? :D Then we're talking.
 
So, 'officially' for Steam..
Steam's folder construction is the same as FSX..
Does one need a guide dog to lead you??
 
Guide dog's need not apply, however it does depend on how much stuff installs with it, and to what folders and finding everything... if it insists on installing to that directory. Who knows what sound file or module it brought with it... That's the slightly tricky part.
 
As I understand it, which may be wrong, if the Aztec is exclusive to Steam, then I will need FSX:SE installed and running in order to be able to get the DLC Aztec from AH. Whether I actually use it or not on FSX:SE is not the issue, as I could, post install, just migrate the stuff to my standard FSX install. Fact is, I still need FSX:SE, which I do not have...

Do I understand this correctly? If not, please enlighten me in plain old English... Thanks :applause:

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