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Piper Aztec Steams ahead

Bazz, well done for taking this step, justifying it & sticking to it.
Phew, as usual some of us simmers, hobbyists, call us what you will, have stood up to the plate & supported you, whilst others have critisized you business decision. We are a bunch of moaners, are we not?

Anyhow, this is just in support, even tho' I still run FS9 as well as P3D, so, this release does not affect me.
Thanks for all you have done for our hobby, keep up the good work, & I hope that you have not been disheartened by some of these posts.(As we say here in South Africa, ' Chill, & have a dop! (dop = drink in our second language, normally brandy & coke!!!)

Cheers & Good Lock,
Robin
 
Hi Robin,

It's going to take a whole heap more than what's gone down so far to get me down mate. We're happy with what we have and I hope people will continue to be happy with what we provide. That's all we can ask and definitely all we can expect. Party on people, heck it's nearly Christmas!:engel016::very_drunk:
 
Thought I might share my opinions with Steam.
I have no problems with using Steam. But at present, I have no need for Steam. I am happy with my flight sims right now without Steam. This may change in the future.
 
Just a parallel question and mostly because i cant remember:

How long was everyone screaming for FS2004 compitability when FSX was the simulator that was being sold as new?

In the past we had a new sim every 2 years and the old one was slowly being phased out. Now, FSX is 9 years old. It has been officially been unsupported by the makers for I cant remember how many years. You can only buy new copies on the "speculation" market for sky high prices. Basically its dead and has been so for years.
That doesnt mean that its bad and I fully understand those having a well working install want to keep using it. But those develloping for the flightsim community and especially those who make it for a living HAVE to look forward and there´s no FSX box there. If not, they will not survive and our little hobby will be poorer one.

I wrote this in order to put things a little bit in perspective.
(I use FSX-SE and P3D)
DB
 
Again the point was somewhat missed there. Those complaining aren't demanding Fs9 compatibility in a fsx age, FSX Steam Edition models, and files, and structure are identical to FSX, and 100% P3D compatible, those complaining are irritated that the delivery method makes transferring to other sims awkward WITH FSX:SE, and impossible without it (product bought through steam client only accessible from the SE product owned page).

That's what they're annoyed with. End of the day, FSX:SE, boxed and P3d are all the same sim at heart, dead or living.
 
To further expand on this, from what I have read on other forums, that products brought through Steam are encoded and will not work with any other platform: SP2, Acceleration, P3D.
This clearly limits the product to Steam users only.
As it is now, there are many simmers that do not use Steam.
I would think that developers would want to provide their product for all flight sim users?
 
What we need is a way for boxed users to convert their product to Steam if they so choose. I'm sure great things are coming for SE in the future, but I refuse to re-purchase (even for only $20) a product I already own. I would be more willing to convert over. Otherwise, as long as my install is working well, or until something on SE makes it really worth it, I'll stick with what I have and, regrettably, take a pass on the Aztec.
 
If the financial benefit is significant, than I applaud Baz and the AH team for testing the waters with the Aztec release. I only assume, that it must be. And that's great. It would be nice if they could admit that.

- Joseph
 
fsxar177 said:
If the financial benefit is significant, than I applaud Baz and the AH team for testing the waters with the Aztec release. I only assume, that it must be. And that's great. It would be nice if they could admit that.

- Joseph
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But maybe it isn't. Maybe it's more of a market test. Companies do that all the time - release test products in select regions or distribution channels to see how they do. So possibly there's nothing to admit.
 
Killbilly said:
What we need is a way for boxed users to convert their product to Steam if they so choose. I'm sure great things are coming for SE in the future, but I refuse to re-purchase (even for only $20) a product I already own. I would be more willing to convert over. Otherwise, as long as my install is working well, or until something on SE makes it really worth it, I'll stick with what I have and, regrettably, take a pass on the Aztec.
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Its regularly on sale for less than $10... sometimes 5.

If that's too much, enjoy your boxed edition.
 
fsxar177 said:
If the financial benefit is significant, than I applaud Baz and the AH team for testing the waters with the Aztec release. I only assume, that it must be. And that's great. It would be nice if they could admit that.

- Joseph
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Sorry Joseph but I am not going to discuss our financial affairs on a public forum any more than I would discuss my bowel movements for the morning.:engel016:
 
Madness

FSX DISK....FSX STEAM..the same program..a now a 10 year old game.....Microsoft has abandoned us,along with "FLIGHT'.. Steam has resurrected it...lots of new simmers out there..and to many price is everything....Personally? I run both..I find Steam with an imperceptible edge...both mirror each other..Absolutely no difference..I own it , with no Disks or paranoid codes,scratches to fumble with..And until the next generation of desk top flight simulator comes along?? Its all we got...Now an old game....However Glad we got it!!...HAVE FUN !!




 
I have stayed out of this up to this point, but I am glad to see the discussion starting to go in a more positive direction. :encouragement:

I don't feel the need to defend AH or Bazz. When it comes to AH products, the proof is in the pudding...beautiful and functional models, at affordable prices. To me, the delivery does not matter, though I do understand the apprehension of customers having to use a new platform.

This being said, I have had the privilege of being on the beta team for this aircraft. All I can say is, if you buy it....you will not be disappointed. If you choose not to....you're missing out on a lovely (and in our hobby, long awaited) aircraft.


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DITTO E-BAY...These are rare now.. soon none to be had anywhere!And are in demand..a sellers Market.and their are buyers...Those with the cash? no problem for others its FSX SE...They do Not make them no mo!!..sentimental antique value!!
 
Fwiw, that isn't Amazon itself, it's an Amazon associate vendor. who set their own prices, all Amazon does is payment processing and shipping.
 
FlameOut said:
Is Amazon Prime really trying to rape the customer with that New price of $219.99 :a1310: for FSX Gold !
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What a silly comment! Nobody is being forced to buy it! Just normal market forces in play.

This is so typical of flight simmers, & has been shown many times..
'We have been raped!'
'Microsoft has abandoned us,along with "FLIGHT" '
I want 64bit
I'm not buying from you anymore because .... (fill in whatever is appropriate!
the list goes on & on.

Who are we to feel that we have this entitlement to demand whatever we think Microsoft, the industry, the developers owe us?
let's face it, we are actually a very small niche market in the total scheme of things, & we throw our toys out of our cots when we feel that we are not getting what we demand and/or think what we are owed, as seen in this thread & many others.

It should be obvious to all that ACES Gaming Studio was closed because, in the greater scheme of things at Microsoft, it was no longer viable.
It should also be obvious that it was a great business decision by Microsoft to license out a 9 year old (at the time) redundant game to DTG, who chose the largest gaming distributor to re-distribute a slightly modified game! So, MS no longer has to deal with the likes of us, well, they never really did anyway, & they are saving a huge amount of money by no longer having world wide stock holdings, distribution, etc for an old redundant (to them) game. So, great for their shareholders.

It has been a great test for DTG to re-distribute FSX. It will be interesting to see what, if anything will transpire with their own sim, if it eventually appears.
It should be obvious to all as well that, distibution is via Steam, the largest gaming community out there, & for them to monetize their product successfully, it is the gamers, as they are a far larger market than us fly-boys (& girls) that should be targeted.

So, where does it leave us? Thanks to Bazz for marketing an amazing product via the largest distributor, as well as all the others that are still developing for us , be it FS9 (still), FSX, FSX:SE & dare I mention it, P3D, as well as the amazing freeware guys out there.

Guys, no-one out there owes us anything, or is forcing us to buy anything. We are not being ' raped'!!
Get over it, it's only a game (well, the box has a 3+ age on it, it comes from a gaming studio, the latest version is marketed by the same guys that do fishing & train sims, & distributed by the largest gaming distributor!!)

'Sigh', I'm REALLY gonna get bashed for stirring up that hornet's net again, so I'm off to get my bowl of popcorn.....
:banghead:
 
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