Poor Brett Michaels

[cheezyflier]

i read alot, although what i read is rather lowbrow. tom clancy, dean kootz, michael chrichton, ian rankin, james pattison, mario puzo, stuff like that. about the only intellectual stuff i read is the bible, and c.s. lewis

 

[GT182]

I have even less concern for that. Maybe a few Brett Michaels fans would want to know if he was near death, but does anyone want to know about someone's drug addiction?

Needles he used were for childhood diabetes, not drugs. And it's a well know fact he is a diabetic since the age 6. As for other types of drugs, I have no idea. So I won't judge him as being a drug addict.

And yes I feel sorry for him...... just like everyone that's asked for thoughts and prayers here on SOH.

 

[Ken Stallings]

Needles he used were for childhood diabetes, not drugs. And it's a well know fact he is a diabetic since the age 6. As for other types of drugs, I have no idea. So I won't judge him as being a drug addict.

And yes I feel sorry for him...... just like everyone that's asked for thoughts and prayers here on SOH.

This is a powerful revelation I think!

Tigisfat, given your prior reaction to my comments, perhaps I can post again and established an improved foundation of common understanding between us.

My view is that the only thing that should be different when someone is in the hospital with a critical condition whether your mother or a stranger is the depth of your emotional anguish, not the basic degree of human sympathy.

And to repeat, the only time your degree of human sympathy should be varied is if said person brought pain and suffering upon innocent people through deliberate actions.

One of the few reasons you offered for your clearly expressed lack of sympathy was the presumption he was a drug addict. Now, it seems my urgings we not make such a conclusion without facts, was a good idea. It seems perhaps the man used needles for a known medical condition and under the legal care of a doctor.

To my way of thinking, your initial post to create this thread reveals that someone you associate musical fame and fortune, and presumed drug use, as valid criteria to espouce less sympathy for a human's adverse medical condition. Beyond the truth that tomorrow the same fate could find any of us, I just think the thread was ill advised.

Perhaps you see it differently, but I think you hurt yourself by doing it.

Ken

 

[Ken Stallings]

I decided to do a small bit on internet research.

Wikipedia confirms his diabetes at age 6:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bret_Michaels

I also learned that he has done a fair number of USO shows overseas. Considering how few rock stars do this, I think it speaks pretty well to the guy's character that he did!

On the other hand, it does seem in that research that he did recreational drugs and I totally disagree with that. But, again, it doesn't affect my sympathy for his situation. But, all the stuff I read said he was never a drug addict.

OK, I think I've beat the horse enough!

Cheers,

Ken

 

[MCDesigns]

Do you feel bad for him? There's something about a washed up, conceited, drugged out, makeup wearing has-been that makes me cringe. This clown has no sense of reality. Why is this headline news? Am I supposed to care at all?

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Wellness/...ull-recovery-dangers-remain/story?id=10482682

Curious, is there a reason why you feel the need to dog/judge a person in the media you know close to nothing about that is going thru a tough time? I could replace Brets name with anyones and your post would still be just plain hateful.

I've met Bret twice (when I was a mucisian he was an influence) and based off those meetings, what I do know of him and from him being in the music business he was a pretty nice guy, not concieted, not strung out and fairly intelliegent. My prayers are with him and I hope he pulls thru.

 

[cheezyflier]

i once read an interview with steve whiteman from the band "kix" who claimed that poison stole their act. true or false i don't know.

 

[tigisfat]

I decided to do a small bit on internet research.

Wikipedia confirms his diabetes at age 6:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bret_Michaels

I also learned that he has done a fair number of USO shows overseas. Considering how few rock stars do this, I think it speaks pretty well to the guy's character that he did!

On the other hand, it does seem in that research that he did recreational drugs and I totally disagree with that. But, again, it doesn't affect my sympathy for his situation. But, all the stuff I read said he was never a drug addict.

OK, I think I've beat the horse enough!

Cheers,

Ken

I saw an interview with him on some cable TV show, and he talked about how drugged out he was for a long time. He also mentioned how he used to sell drugs, and most of the interview was talking about what a shady person he was and all the horrible things he did. He laughed about all the jilted girlfriends and such. They brought characters back from prior periods in his life, and none of them had a single good thing to say about him, it was all about the things he'd done to them.

I guess I should've mentioned that before. I figured everyone knew that kind of thing. The guy just isn't for me, gentlemen. You are what you do. I'm reminded of a Somali pirate's mother on TV after his capture, talking about how he was a good boy who'd just fallen in with a bad crowd. It's unfortunate, but just because he was a good boy doesn't mean he didn't try to hijack a vessel.

What was all this talk about how criminals can 'rot in prison' and how some needed to get killed on the spot we've had around here of late? Bret Michaels has had his share of run-ins with the law, including a high-speed escapade when he was drunk and high, or something. I don't know. He could've killed innocent people when he wrecked his ferrari.


My post was more about the fact that some random celebrity was making headline news with an illness many people have. They don't get the same attention. "Should I care?" was more asking why he should be treated differently. He's by no means a wonderful soul who's done nothing but good his whole life.

I'm not out to hate the guy (it may sound like it, but I'm just proving he's not a saint) I just can't believe what makes the news. He is nothing more than an example to me of what shouldn't make the news. It's very possible he wants to go through this in private. Even if I think he was a slimeball, he still deserves that respect.

 

[MCDesigns]

i once read an interview with steve whiteman from the band "kix" who claimed that poison stole their act. true or false i don't know.

Interesting, I've seen KIX several times and while they put on a very high energy show, it's nothing like a Poison show. Plus KIX never really got the breaks that POISON did, so there may be some rivalry there. Hell when I was playing out, we all stole ideas from each other and any video we saw, LOL. Funny I remember when Lynch Mob came out and they played in Austin, George Lynch had these fans on the side of the stage that created a cool effect while playing. After that show every local band copied that idea, LOL.

 

[tigisfat]

Interesting, I've seen KIX several times and while they put on a very high energy show, it's nothing like a Poison show. Plus KIX never really got the breaks that POISON did, so there may be some rivalry there. Hell when I was playing out, we all stole ideas from each other and any video we saw, LOL. Funny I remember when Lynch Mob came out and they played in Austin, George Lynch had these fans on the side of the stage that created a cool effect while playing. After that show every local band copied that idea, LOL.

what'd the fans do for the cool effect?

 

[Ken Stallings]

What was all this talk about how criminals can 'rot in prison' and how some needed to get killed on the spot we've had around here of late? Bret Michaels has had his share of run-ins with the law, including a high-speed escapade when he was drunk and high, or something. I don't know. He could've killed innocent people when he wrecked his ferrari.

I did mention twice that those who bring pain and suffering to others can, and should, have a different degree of sypmathy accorded when something unfortunate finds them.

By saying "I don't know," are you meaning you are not sure about the whole story or just if he was drunk or high? Yeah, if he killed someone then that would surely bring pain and suffering through deliberate actions. But, that did not happen, did it?

Precisely one person in this thread has claimed personal insight into the man, and that member I've known for many years here and have a lot of personal respect for. If he says the dude was a good person, then I'm inclined to believe him.

I'm forced again to say you have a frightfully slim resume to sustain such a shockingly small degree of sympathy. The man might die soon. I guess this is truly the message you wish to put forth.

This guy isn't Charlie Manson, Osama bin Laden, or Slobodan Milosivitch! I just don't see it man! And the more you clarify it, the less I see in it.

Ken

 

[TARPSBird]

Well, here we go again. Fasten your seat belts folks, looks like we're in for a bumpy ride...

 

[tigisfat]

I did mention twice that those who bring pain and suffering to others can, and should, have a different degree of sypmathy accorded when something unfortunate finds them.

By saying "I don't know," are you meaning you are not sure about the whole story or just if he was drunk or high? Yeah, if he killed someone then that would surely bring pain and suffering through deliberate actions. But, that did not happen, did it?

Precisely one person in this thread has claimed personal insight into the man, and that member I've known for many years here and have a lot of personal respect for. If he says the dude was a good person, then I'm inclined to believe him.

I'm forced again to say you have a frightfully slim resume to sustain such a shockingly small degree of sympathy. The man might die soon. I guess this is truly the message you wish to put forth.

This guy isn't Charlie Manson, Osama bin Laden, or Slobodan Milosivitch! I just don't see it man! And the more you clarify it, the less I see in it.

Ken

Yes, I have sympathy for those that are sick.

No, I don't think Bret Michaels is a saint. I wasn't saying he was evil, either. You asked what he's ever done to anyone, so to speak, so I told you. I wasn't out to bash the guy, you asked why I thought he was an unsavory character. I don't need to personally know him, I saw him admit being a troublemaker on national TV. I'll also believe the testimonies of those that knew him well (even though they're not in this thread, as you said) from the same show.

No, I don't think he deserves it because of the above.

No, I don't think this is worthy of any media attention. There are plenty of people with the same problem.


Other than that, I don't even think this topic is deserving of that much attention. It was meant to be a simple thread with a handful of posts making fun of the media attention one sick troublemaker from the 80's got. I worded it too strongly, but it had already normalized again when you came back with several more posts to stoke the coals. I had no idea you felt so strongly about Bret Michaels, but I don't like or dislike him enough to continue any debate about his character or health.

Ken, I apologize for all the offense you've taken in this thread (and anyone else too), and you win. I forfeit any percieved argument or debate here, and you are right on all accounts.