Project Tupolev Tu-154B2 for FSX version 1.3 released!!
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Avast throws a warning due to the inclusion of an HTML file going to PT's webpage, which at one time many months ago may have been under attack, but has since been resolved. There are no other issues with the files or aircraft. I turned my Avast off while downloading, then scanned the file to see what the issue was prior to unzipping.
Also please note that the aircraft does include a lengthy English-language flight manual, and that knowing Russian is not a prerequisite. I don't speak Russian, and I fly the plane...
Also please note that the aircraft does include a lengthy English-language flight manual, and that knowing Russian is not a prerequisite. I don't speak Russian, and I fly the plane...
Don't worry about it this time and have the thread spin out of control. Multiple people here who are both connected to Russian aviation and have a Russian heritage (such as yourself), as well as those who simply have an interest in a foreign aircraft type (such as myself) have attempted to provide clear guidance, and if anyone passing by doesn't want to try it out for whatever reason, that's their loss. There are other members here (and more members elsewhere) who enjoy the learning process and are willing to try it...
I am sorry you think I have offended you. I am sure from what the other users have said here, and elsewhere and the reviews that it is a great plane. I did not mean it as an insult, nor did I mean it as an insult to your heritage. After my first post that I was deleting it I kept getting replies as to how to make it work with AVAST. Please accept my apologies if there was any misinterpretation of my posts. Regards, Bob.
No worries, I misunderstood. At least we have helpful community willing to help with all sorts of trouble, including the complicated ones.
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rjoosterloo
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I do use the SID/STAR functionality of the KLN. It has some bugs, but I think I have met most of them and work my way around them. Some bugs I have seen are:
- The KLN (also the real unit I believe) has a maximum of 30 waypoints. If you select a SID or STAR and the number of waypoints will be more than 30, it will mess up the whole flight plan.
- If you select a SID and the last waypoint of the SID was the 2nd waypoint in the flight plan (after the departure airport), this waypoint will be in the flight plan twice and the AP might start to fly in circles as it wants to fly between these 2 the same waypoints.
- After selecting a STAR the distance between the waypoints of the STAR are calculated incorrectly, even though it flies the STAR correct and without problems.
- Sometimes after selecting a STAR, the last waypoint before the arrival airport is a waypoint without a name. When you then approach this waypoint, the KLN crashes.
Despite these problems, I use the KLN all the time. So any enhancements/fixes for the unit are most welcome
I do use the SID/STAR functionality of the KLN. It has some bugs, but I think I have met most of them and work my way around them. Some bugs I have seen are:
- The KLN (also the real unit I believe) has a maximum of 30 waypoints. If you select a SID or STAR and the number of waypoints will be more than 30, it will mess up the whole flight plan.
- If you select a SID and the last waypoint of the SID was the 2nd waypoint in the flight plan (after the departure airport), this waypoint will be in the flight plan twice and the AP might start to fly in circles as it wants to fly between these 2 the same waypoints.
- After selecting a STAR the distance between the waypoints of the STAR are calculated incorrectly, even though it flies the STAR correct and without problems.
- Sometimes after selecting a STAR, the last waypoint before the arrival airport is a waypoint without a name. When you then approach this waypoint, the KLN crashes.
Despite these problems, I use the KLN all the time. So any enhancements/fixes for the unit are most welcome
I know these shortcomings, when I was a newbie some years ago I always flew with the KLN on the older Tu-154M for FS9. However you had to plan which STAR from KLN beforehand and for Russia this was a huge problem, as some of the terminal procedures were over 10 years old! This basically resulted in my flying procedures which were simple but old fashioned from the 90s, right after the collapse (Soviet Union didn't have these kind of procedures) meaning that it frequently pissed off controllers online at vatsim. Also you never know if the SID/STAR for your particular is going to work, the craziest I've seen was an STAR in Vilnius, waypoints leading all over the place to different directions! Long story short for realistic passenger operations it would be unsafe to use this device as potentially you won't know if you're gonna make it or not. If you only fly between known airports where you know the SID/STARs already and you know they work in the KLN, then that is a different story. It's all about memory.
The virtual NVU navigator also can only store a maximum of 30 waypoints but this is not a limitation of the Soviet system, rather if your flight plan has more than 30 waypoints you add them yourself to the NVU manually later on. It's not usual to fly such many waypoints with NVU system as in the Soviet Union the aircraft flew the great circle route from arrival to departure with this system (hence the name orthodromic navigation). Then we have the I-21 INS, it's more stable than KLN, you should use it.
Here is development thread further modifications KLN: http://www.fsdeveloper.com/forum/threads/pt-kln90b-thread.432761/page-3
Flying on the Tu-154 has never been easy, yet it is a pilots friend and will be like riding a bike once you know your plane. Just fire up the 70s model, fly the old crazy aeroflot routes using radar navigation during SID/STARs and navigation with the NVU enroute. Trust me, you'll never be bored because you'll have a lot to do onboard, all sorts of things
What they did (in the 80s) was navigating trough NVU in the Soviet Union correcting with RSBN navaids, then flying VOR/NDBs in western territory.
ce_zeta
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Interesting link, thanks vl82m.
At this moment, The better option is fly SID/STARs in manual mode.
More fun!
rjoosterloo
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The virtual NVU navigator also can only store a maximum of 30 waypoints but this is not a limitation of the Soviet system, rather if your flight plan has more than 30 waypoints you add them yourself to the NVU manually later on. It's not usual to fly such many waypoints with NVU system as in the Soviet Union the aircraft flew the great circle route from arrival to departure with this system (hence the name orthodromic navigation). Then we have the I-21 INS, it's more stable than KLN, you should use it.
Here is development thread further modifications KLN: http://www.fsdeveloper.com/forum/threads/pt-kln90b-thread.432761/page-3
Flying on the Tu-154 has never been easy, yet it is a pilots friend and will be like riding a bike once you know your plane. Just fire up the 70s model, fly the old crazy aeroflot routes using radar navigation during SID/STARs and navigation with the NVU enroute. Trust me, you'll never be bored because you'll have a lot to do onboard, all sorts of things
To be honest I haven't tried the I-21 INS yet. I like the flexibility that the KLN gives me as I am a Vatsim flier as well. And you never know what those controllers will throw at you
And many SIDs and STARs in Europe use RNAV waypoints anyway. But I should give the I-21 INS a try as well. And thanks for that link! I will try that new and improved KLN. Wonderful to see someone has picked up further development of this great unit after all these years.
To be honest I haven't tried the I-21 INS yet. I like the flexibility that the KLN gives me as I am a Vatsim flier as well. And you never know what those controllers will throw at you
And thanks for that link! I will try that new and improved KLN. Wonderful to see someone has picked up further development of this great unit after all these years.
Yes, it's the reason why I often have trouble with the 70s version on vatsim. Even though the NVU navigation system is capable of advanced RNAV operations it is a burden to do so due to the necessary calculations and course inputs, distance inputs, corrections, RSBN channels... It takes a lot of time to add a new waypoint not in flightplan or to go direct to waypoint and you have to calculate these before hand as they are lenghty calculations which the navigator did in real life, controllers do not understand that. However it helps to put in your remarks "please no direct-to". I-21 INS is able to do these advanced RNAV procedures but without the burden of entries you must make on the NVU, instead on the I-21 you just enter the coordinates and can go direct to waypoint with just a few clicks. It's almost like a GPS.
If things get heated you can always ask for radar vectors, although then they stop responding...