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The Staff of SOH
Question for the East Coast members
- Thread starter hey_moe
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sorry, i don't worship at the church of gore
Amen....
All of it is based on computer models ... yet FS users should appreciate the difficulty of building an accurate computer model of the entire world's climate that will accurately forecast 1, 10, or 20 years in the future.
How can we accurately build a model when we cannot adquately measure and forecast anthropogenic influences such as:
solar output
Earth's reflectivity
various motions of the Earth (wobble, being one)
make-up of the atmosphere (gases and particulates)
ocean currents
lifeforms themselves
internal heat sources
Did models forecasting the building of CO2 take into consideration our current reccession? Likewise, how are we able to quantify the contributions from closed societies such as North Korea, and do we have good numbers for China and the former Soviet Union? How much are they willing to disclose to us; since carbon emissions could also give stratigic insight into their military production capabilities. (Not to mention destroying our economy in the name of global warming will only result in an increase in production AND pollution in theirs to replace lost production.)
One of the biggest contributors to global warming/cooling is sunspots; is there a forecast model for that? What's more, many in the academic field believe that we still do not have enough computing power to crunch such a model even it were possible to build it. So, the best we can do is build a lightweight model that only emulates the environment (much like FS emulates aerodynamics through table lookups); and if forecasted vs actual from last year were not accurate; how can we expect future predictions to be any better?
Finally, these all of these models assume a steady-state environment; but the Ice Age and the currently observed global climate change taking place on Mars (along with channels made by water that is no longer there) proves that is not the case.
Finally, I remember the huge poster from National Geographic I had hanging over my bed from the early 1970s that graphically protrayed the various forms of pollution -- and how smoke and particulates from all of those smokestacks would case global cooling.
-James
Brian_Gladden
SOH-CM-2025
Been so wet here lately, I only worked 4 1/2 hours last week. Just seven the week before.
This week should be better, got 6 today and I wasn't even scheduled to work. Got called in. If I can get hours on my regular days, I'll be happy.
Brian
This week should be better, got 6 today and I wasn't even scheduled to work. Got called in. If I can get hours on my regular days, I'll be happy.
Brian
I didn't bother to open my pool until almost July this year. The water got warm enough for me to swim in it one week then we went back to the mid 70s during the day and near 50 at night. Needless to say there isn't much use for the pool this summer so far. I should rip it out and get a hot tub. :isadizzy:
cheezyflier
Charter Member
i have family in wilmington that say there was 20 days of rain in the first 21 days of june.
Hey if ya have the missing summer blues come on down to the Phoenix area we've been having lots of sun and fun......Plenty of days with no rain (just to be sure that's when water falls from the sky right?) and temps OVER 110, so come on down and we'll throw a Gila Monster on the grill for ya 
Hey if ya have the missing summer blues come on down to the Phoenix area we've been having lots of sun and fun......Plenty of days with no rain (just to be sure that's when water falls from the sky right?) and temps OVER 110, so come on down and we'll throw a Gila Monster on the grill for ya
Good2Be is right..
(Pretend I am speaking like Rod Steiger from Night Gallery)
Imagine, if you would, a world so totally opposite of yours. Absolutely no rain. Incredibly hot days, so hot that in the night, your temps will not go below 90 degrees. Imagine that if you had to walk for a mile in this intense, extreme heat, you might not make it.
Do you know what 115 degrees is like? Have you ever seen a full wall of thunderstorms come down from the north, only to get close to Phoenix and dissipate? Have you ever seen clouds 90,000 feet up, colums of thunderheads, disappear in 1 1/2 hours? totally?
I have seen mosquitos before, but they cannot handle heat like this. Only in our winters, which make our temps normal again, similar to your summers, your regular summers.
One of the reasons Phoenix has no more rain during monsoons now is that the intense heat from the pavement and concrete radiates up. No more farmland area's inbetween the minor cities here. About 100 miles long of city in all directions..
No monsoons, no cool nights, no cool breezes, huge AC bills... Life on mars. Dont go outside! Your hair will incinerate off! You'll blister up in 20 min's! Your pupils will be eradiated with UV light beams...!
eeks!
Bill
Good2Be is right..
(Pretend I am speaking like Rod Steiger from Night Gallery)
Imagine, if you would, a world so totally opposite of yours. Absolutely no rain. Incredibly hot days, so hot that in the night, your temps will not go below 90 degrees. Imagine that if you had to walk for a mile in this intense, extreme heat, you might not make it.
Do you know what 115 degrees is like? Have you ever seen a full wall of thunderstorms come down from the north, only to get close to Phoenix and dissipate? Have you ever seen clouds 90,000 feet up, colums of thunderheads, disappear in 1 1/2 hours? totally?
I have seen mosquitos before, but they cannot handle heat like this. Only in our winters, which make our temps normal again, similar to your summers, your regular summers.
One of the reasons Phoenix has no more rain during monsoons now is that the intense heat from the pavement and concrete radiates up. No more farmland area's inbetween the minor cities here. About 100 miles long of city in all directions..
No monsoons, no cool nights, no cool breezes, huge AC bills... Life on mars. Dont go outside! Your hair will incinerate off! You'll blister up in 20 min's! Your pupils will be eradiated with UV light beams...!
eeks!
Bill
That's crazy Bill. You sounded just like Rod. Amazing! :d
cheezyflier
Charter Member
Cheezy and Dirt are both from Toronto area... now it is starting to make sense.
when i'm involved, there will be as little sense as possible.
and most of that is by accident