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Rami new project thread...

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Morton.

With some help from CrisGer, that's what my research has also indicated. I switched the missions involving KG 26 to Aalborg, and the other locations following the campaign timeline. What I'm looking for as well are mission descriptions from ZG 76 and JG 77, as well as FAA Gladiator Squadrons, missions flown by 46 and 263 Squadrons, as well as the Norwegian Air Force.
 
If you want some reading material, particularly concerning 46 Sqn, this book is worth looking at:

Straight and Level: The Autobiography of Air Chief Marshal Sir Kenneth "Bing" Cross, Kcb, CBE, DSO, DFC, 1911-1945
 
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Stefano,

No worries on this or any rush. To be honest, I'm not even sure which campaign the missions will fit into, if they fit at all. Right now, I'm thinking along the lines of an extension of the "Royal Canadian Air Force" campaign.

I just know you were working on the Italian bases in that sector, so I didn't think this would be too much of a stretch. One thing though...the Turin layout includes the buildings and scenery at Venaria Reale, so if you've made any modifications there, they will have to be incorporated.

Hi there! :wavey:

I took a look at your Torino layout and I was was surprised at the total amount of objects involved, in excess of 1,000. I imagine with today's computing power so many objects do not really bother fps, on my vintage rig it's a different story. I imagine any large city scenery is meant only to fulfil a given mission, not as a permanent gsl scenery otherwise the top number of object limit for cfs2.gsl would be reached in no time. Now I do not remember exactly: was it 5,000 or 10,000?

I have a few suggestions for the objects you choose. Wolfi's "Land Houses" are way too British looking, I do not use them at all in Italy. Although they can fit all of Central and Northern Europe (with caution, I wouldn't use too many Tudor-era plaster and timber country houses outside of strictly Northern Europe), they should be removed from both Torino, Genova and any other Italian town or city.

All of Wolfi's Med houses, city blocks and apartments should be used instead, together with Canion's:


  • BlFrmHse6, 7, 8 and 13
  • BlTwnHse-1 (not BlTwnHse)

Outside of the city centres the percentage of the mix should favour Canion's farm houses, about 75% against 25% of Wolfi's Med objects for Northern Italy, choosing the less colourful ones, while a half and half ratio would fit Central and Southern Italy.
Genova belongs to the Northern group and here you can use the more colourful Med houses in Wolfi's selection, the ones with open windows and balconies, because that's the way it is on the Italian coastline.
The latter is a good combo also for Southern France, particularly the Côte D'Azur, which I visited many times in the last few years. Nice, Marseille and Southern Provence look almost like La Spezia, Genova, Savona and Imperia (East to West), although a whole lot cleaner and well-kept. Typical Provençal houses are painted various shades of orange, light earth tones or left with natural bricks with blue doors, windows, window shutters and trim.
Keep in mind 1940's Italy was a wood-poor country, even more so today, so avoid wood buildings of any kind: they can be found only in the Alps here. Stone and bricks, that's the correct look.

One last remark about Canion's farm houses: the ones numbered below 6 are very small buildings, which fit nicely airport infrastructures like radio buildings, small depots, workshops and such. As you must have certainly noticed, I used them all over in my ETO/Italy airport GSL work.

I know you need "target-rich" environments for your mission work, but refrain from placing oil refineries in Italian large cities. I am quite positive Torino never had one, while FIAT factory was certainly a primary strategic target for its contribution to the fascist war effort. FIAT is the acronym for "Fabbrica Italiana Automobili Torino" (Italian Car Factory Torino).

Attached three maps, plus pictures, of the FIAT factory historical location in Torino. In the sat picture the "Lingotto" (italian for "ingot", from the shape of the building) can be clearly seen with its test track built on the roof of the building. In order to save room, in the historical FIAT factory the vehicle assembly line developed upward from the ground floor. Completed vehicles reached the test track on the roof, they were started for the first time and test driven on the track before leaving the factory. FIAT production remained in this location until the early 1960's, when the new Mirafiori establishment was built and only administration offices remained at the Lingotto building.
In the late 1980's, FIAT donated the Lingotto building to the town of Torino and it was turned into a cultural centre, with a music hall, a car museum (what else?), a conference hall and it can be visited all year round. The test track on the roof is still there, it can be visited and a restaurant (...expensive...) was built there as well.

Thank you for your continuous effort to provide us with attractive sceneries!

Cheers!
KH
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Stafano,

Thanks for the feedback! I have the layout saved, of course, so I will make the necessary adjustments.

By the way...I thought "FIAT" was an acronym for "Fix It Again, Tony." :wiggle:
 
Thanks Rami but I'm unable to get all the Turin scenery to show up. Genoa works fine and looks great but the only scenery showing for Turin are the land houses on the northern outskirts of the city and the infrastructure on Venaria Reale aerodrome.

Any ideas?
 
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Kdriver,

Try running the layout through GobCheck and see what happens. :wavey:
 
Stafano,

Thanks for the feedback! I have the layout saved, of course, so I will make the necessary adjustments.

By the way...I thought "FIAT" was an acronym for "Fix It Again, Tony."

:biggrin-new:......

Yeah, just like "Fix Or Repair Daily", right? Eh, eh, I asked for it, but you tend to forget I spent some of the best years o' me life across the big pond....:friendly_wink:

At any rate I couldn't agree more with you, I dealt with only two Fiats in my life and.....:dejection: hopefully, Chrysler will bring some quality into Fiat products....

Back to topic: I'll see if I can help you with replacing some of the 1,000+ objects you had the great patience to place in Torino. Since I also did Achim's Venaria Reale airport before I left for my vacation, I started already tackling all of the Northern part of the city.

I'll see also if I can come up with an acceptable representation of the Fiat factory and I am going to delete completely the oil refinery there.

All of the above in the middle of my project of creating a prop texture library upload which will include all of the most popular addon planes released over the years. All of the new textures are ready and I am pleased with the results, which I achieved using geometrical shapes that I could only dream of when I started tinkering with props back in 2006. The new blurred textures are more centered and precisely shaped.

I did not foresee the size this project could have reached....it's huge! I am also going for my third and final week of vacation from August 15th to the 25th, so it'll take some time.

Cheers!
KH
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Good morning,

This is very much still a work in progress...several piers are unfinished, and I have to make an adjustment or two on certain objects...but it is coming along.
 
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Good morning,

This is very much still a work in progress...several piers are unfinished, and I have to make an adjustment or two on certain objects...but it is coming along.
 
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Stafano,

Yes, the city is big...but I'm trying to find a balance between scale and framerates. Sander's legendary city GSL files are far too big and are framerate killers. Also, you're not going to be down on the deck, you'll be flying at about 18,000 feet. The runs to Genoa and Milan will be about the same.

There is no limit on time, I can wait on these missions as long as I have to. Please do not feel pressured!
 
Kdriver,

Try running the layout through GobCheck and see what happens. :wavey:

Thanks Andrew - I had to split the layout into 3 gobs then reinstall them into the one gsl, and voila! - the city of Turin.

Kevin
 
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Kevin,

I had to do the same thing with Turin. Oddly, Genoa was one entry, I think. GSL manager is a strange beast.
 
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Good afternoon,

Finished...with the layouts, a GSL file, and a mission file with the He-111 that puts you right there. Would there be enough interest to make it worthwhile to do the Firth of Forth?
 
Rami,

Looks great to me, I'd like to say I'm very interested in this and any other stuff you turn out for Scotland. But in all honest I'm a million miles away from having my CFS2 near ready for adding stuff like this. Definitely one day though.

Jamie
 
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Good evening,

Here is the ship and AA layout for The Clyde.
 
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Thanks and you're welcome Andrew, Col_Wolf, Worthless and Robert John.

Andrew, feel free to add this fix to your ETO ports/targets/infrastructure package, acknowledging, as I know you will, the original work was done by Gary Burns and William Renwick. The more addons consolidated into fewer packages the better.

Kevin

Kevin,

I have done just that...and I am in the process of doing a final update to the Battle of Britain and Operation Sealion. For the British, this will include two missions in the North of England on 15 August against Luftflotte 5, one mission against Heinkels of KG 26, the other against Ju-88s of KG 30.

All BoB-era campaigns will have the modified Ventnor, as well as a couple of modifications to my GSL scenery which has already been included in my GSL ports package update, but I am holding back on its release until I get everything together. (One BIG modification in the scenery in The Clyde.)

I have hand-edited all of the missions on the British side, and am in the process of doing so on the German side. (This is so that the AI in a flight all have a different level of skill and aggressiveness) I am also adding the KG 30 mission by Ju-88s from Aalborg on 15 August, which will be added to the Kampfgeschwader campaign. I am waiting for Achim to have some free time to do a few bases in the North of England to facilitate this.

Once these bases are created and the JHS_England package updated, I will re-release all Early-ETO packages and retire them, because there is nothing more I can do with them. (The Battle of France, Battle of France, (Stuka) Battle of Britain, Operation Sealion, Heinkels, Fleet Air Arm, Corpo Aereo Italiano / Chianti Raiders, Dunkerque, Fall Gelb Kampfgeschwader, Fell Gelb Jagdgeschwader, Kondors, and Bardufoss Hurricanes)
 
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