Thanks Rami. I´m not flying much this days. Here we are in summer and its a VERY HOT summer. I jut take a look from time to time to see what´s happening.
Cheers, Discus
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Thanks Rami. I´m not flying much this days. Here we are in summer and its a VERY HOT summer. I jut take a look from time to time to see what´s happening.
Cheers, Discus
bearcat241
SOH-CM-2023
Rami,
I've installed your package, but i'm afraid this full scenery layout is a little too much for my processor to handle in conjunction with air to air action. Without air traffic i get between 20 to 37 fps, sometimes dipping into the high teens depending on the direction of my panning view. In addition to this, the GSL objects of Achim's Pireaus base are completely wiped out by gob conflict. But overall, its a good representation of a dense Med metropolis for the limitations you're working with in this sim.
My biggest problem is with the coastline in this region. I can't help wishing that Sander had finished this one. I have my MTO install set up as per your instructions in the version III guide featuring Rhumba's mesh rather than the Version II which features Josiah's mesh. I followed it verbatim. It doesn't call for Rhumba's coastal files, but without them i get blocky coastlines in the entire eastern Med region. With them, i get a more natural looking coastline at the Athens region, albeit without sandy beach edges, but its also some distance inland and it puts the industrial complex and nearby hangar infrastructure (?) and the trees all in the water - in a harbor bay to be exact. So i'm damned if i do and if i don't use the coastal package. The frame hit of your city layout is my least concern at the moment until i can sort out this coastline problem. I can always dump some objects and go lighter.
I think i'd rather forego this Athens package for now and just keep the area stock plain, keep Achim's Pireaus base intact and restore the regional coastlines as they were with the coastal package activated. Thanks for allowing the test.
I've installed your package, but i'm afraid this full scenery layout is a little too much for my processor to handle in conjunction with air to air action. Without air traffic i get between 20 to 37 fps, sometimes dipping into the high teens depending on the direction of my panning view. In addition to this, the GSL objects of Achim's Pireaus base are completely wiped out by gob conflict. But overall, its a good representation of a dense Med metropolis for the limitations you're working with in this sim.
My biggest problem is with the coastline in this region. I can't help wishing that Sander had finished this one. I have my MTO install set up as per your instructions in the version III guide featuring Rhumba's mesh rather than the Version II which features Josiah's mesh. I followed it verbatim. It doesn't call for Rhumba's coastal files, but without them i get blocky coastlines in the entire eastern Med region. With them, i get a more natural looking coastline at the Athens region, albeit without sandy beach edges, but its also some distance inland and it puts the industrial complex and nearby hangar infrastructure (?) and the trees all in the water - in a harbor bay to be exact. So i'm damned if i do and if i don't use the coastal package. The frame hit of your city layout is my least concern at the moment until i can sort out this coastline problem. I can always dump some objects and go lighter.
I think i'd rather forego this Athens package for now and just keep the area stock plain, keep Achim's Pireaus base intact and restore the regional coastlines as they were with the coastal package activated. Thanks for allowing the test.
bearcat241
SOH-CM-2023
Thanks for the reply Rami, but no joy on that idea. I tried installing it to two places: first to the scenedb\world\scenery folder and then again to the Eurw\scenery folder. Either way doesn't make any difference in the outcome. Are you guys using Rhumba's watermasking or no? What about Jean Bomber's Desert Scen install for North African coasts? It only extends coverage as far as N35* latitude, which is a little further south of the target area:
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I was thinking the JB package might be the culprit but its northern boundary doesn't extend to Greece at all per JB's readme, so that's a doubt. I'm sure that i'm missing something simple in this aspect if all of you guys are working with new scenery in this region without mentioning this type of annoyance. I'm gonna go play around with the scenery hierarchy a bit. Maybe there's a solution in that.
bearcat241
SOH-CM-2023
BTW, in a related matter, the scenery.cfg hierarchal examples in your guide show the default listing/placement of Title=Terrain, which is a universally critical piece of the default scenery ladder, in a #2 spot lower than Default Scenery. As you know, this entry is the listing for the all-important Scenedb\world\scenery folder, which also happens to be the placement folder for Rhumba's watermask files, per your instructions.
According to the sim's scenery convention, the Terrain entry is "locked" in the highest default position and cannot be swapped with the Default Scenery entry into your recommended positions using the sim's Settings> Scenery Library dialog. The sim will not allow this entry to be moved at all. The user will have to swap these two manually by editing the scenery.cfg outside of the sim. I can't determine if this was an oversight typo or an intentional reformat in your guide, but if this "swapping" is an important piece, you might want to update the guide to mention this for the users following you. Just thought i'd mention it for the benefit of others who might have noticed this.
[Area.001]
Title=Terrain
Local=Scenedb\world
Active=TRUE
Texture_ID=1
Layer=1
Required=TRUE
Remote=
Regardless, it makes no difference in my 'situation'. Still looking for an answer...
According to the sim's scenery convention, the Terrain entry is "locked" in the highest default position and cannot be swapped with the Default Scenery entry into your recommended positions using the sim's Settings> Scenery Library dialog. The sim will not allow this entry to be moved at all. The user will have to swap these two manually by editing the scenery.cfg outside of the sim. I can't determine if this was an oversight typo or an intentional reformat in your guide, but if this "swapping" is an important piece, you might want to update the guide to mention this for the users following you. Just thought i'd mention it for the benefit of others who might have noticed this.
[Area.001]
Title=Terrain
Local=Scenedb\world
Active=TRUE
Texture_ID=1
Layer=1
Required=TRUE
Remote=
Regardless, it makes no difference in my 'situation'. Still looking for an answer...
bearcat241
SOH-CM-2023
OK...made a touch of progress. I'm sure i missed this one somewhere earlier in this thread or another, but after uninstalling Achim's previous Greek and Albanian works and installing the updated combined package, i realized that the location and layout of the new Piraeus fits perfectly with certain parts of your Athens GSL infrastructure in this exact same location.
So, for those slow-pokes like me testing this new Athens deal, be advised that you have to take out Achim's previous Greek and Albanian sceneries (along with their GSL objects via GSLMAN) and install the update first. Then install this beta. The GSL layout of the new Piraeus will be automatically wiped out by gob conflict with this Athens beta, but its infrastructure layout is included and replaced perfectly by those within this beta deal. I still pulled the beta out in the meantime until i perfect the coastal issues, but understanding its connection to the JHS Greek-Albanian update was a step in the right direction.
So, for those slow-pokes like me testing this new Athens deal, be advised that you have to take out Achim's previous Greek and Albanian sceneries (along with their GSL objects via GSLMAN) and install the update first. Then install this beta. The GSL layout of the new Piraeus will be automatically wiped out by gob conflict with this Athens beta, but its infrastructure layout is included and replaced perfectly by those within this beta deal. I still pulled the beta out in the meantime until i perfect the coastal issues, but understanding its connection to the JHS Greek-Albanian update was a step in the right direction.
Reply...
Bearcat,
Rest assured, Jean Bomber's scenery and coastlines are not the culprit. Regarding Athens, I have a combined scenery folder for all of Tobob's add-ons. This Athens .bgl package should be in a separate folder in case you don't have it set up like I have mine. Having it in place "above" Sander's layers should solve your problem.
Here's what my Athens area looks like...and yes, I will be cutting some areas of the city down.
Bearcat,
Rest assured, Jean Bomber's scenery and coastlines are not the culprit. Regarding Athens, I have a combined scenery folder for all of Tobob's add-ons. This Athens .bgl package should be in a separate folder in case you don't have it set up like I have mine. Having it in place "above" Sander's layers should solve your problem.
Here's what my Athens area looks like...and yes, I will be cutting some areas of the city down.
Reply...
Bearcat,
Yes, the old Greek and Albanian airfields will have to be removed and the updated airfields before installing this package...The GSL file for Athens was created knowing that it would wipe out Piraeus...I had that one figured out long before I started to build the city.
Bearcat,
Yes, the old Greek and Albanian airfields will have to be removed and the updated airfields before installing this package...The GSL file for Athens was created knowing that it would wipe out Piraeus...I had that one figured out long before I started to build the city.
bearcat241
SOH-CM-2023
Ok, i hear ya man...
Yeah, see, i could sue here for failure to provide a readme and withholding critical consumer information, leading to the obstruction of progress.:isadizzy:I had absolutely no way of knowing you had already made the switch when you uploaded the test files. It just kinda hit me at some point that maybe you had already done so, so i plugged in the switch myself and got a different look.
bearcat241
SOH-CM-2023
Fine work as usual, Achim. And i sincerely appreciate the Ramitelli update.
Man, i'm just about burnt out with Greece after this past weekend of working on that pesky Athens coastline problem. I can only imagine the amount of flight time you've put in there. I finally found the handle and got it looking right, but i had to improvise and go "old school" in a departure from the instructions in Rami's MTO guide to get it done. Now i have to turn my attention to a somewhat related regional coastline problem around Southern Peloponessus. ~sighs~ At least i have the consolation of looking at some shiny new airfields.
CheerZ!
Man, i'm just about burnt out with Greece after this past weekend of working on that pesky Athens coastline problem. I can only imagine the amount of flight time you've put in there. I finally found the handle and got it looking right, but i had to improvise and go "old school" in a departure from the instructions in Rami's MTO guide to get it done. Now i have to turn my attention to a somewhat related regional coastline problem around Southern Peloponessus. ~sighs~ At least i have the consolation of looking at some shiny new airfields.
CheerZ!
Jagdflieger
Jr. Admin
Lookin' good!
Will these replace the previous Greek airfields or are they additional scenery addons?
Will these replace the previous Greek airfields or are they additional scenery addons?
Reply...
Jagdflieger,
A couple of months ago, all of Achim's old airfields in Greece, Bulgaria, and Albania were replaced by this new package in the library...
http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/showthread.php?74148-JHS_Greece_Albania-zip
The airfields you see (except Ramitelli) will be added to this package.
Jagdflieger,
A couple of months ago, all of Achim's old airfields in Greece, Bulgaria, and Albania were replaced by this new package in the library...
http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/showthread.php?74148-JHS_Greece_Albania-zip
The airfields you see (except Ramitelli) will be added to this package.
Blood_Hawk23
Charter Member
That last one looks kool. I like it.
watchdog22
Piston Broke
Wow, this is shaping into something monumental!